Help the RAH furloughs

[atr42flyer]

this was a brilliant idea. way to go, circle of stars for you!

 

[Minimaniac]

this was a brilliant idea. way to go, circle of stars for you!

Thanks, it runs in the family! Debbie Miles isn't only my hero, she's my mom..

I kid, I kid.

 

[hockeypilot44]

This situation happened during the Shuttle America/Chautauqua merger. The company was moving Embraer 170 pilots and airplanes from Chautauqua to Shuttle America before the lists were merged (it was in the arbitration process). Shuttle America was parking Saabs thus putting themselves in an over-staffed situation. Instead of furloughing them, Wayne Heller started putting the most senior Shuttle America pilots in class to be E-170 captains. The Chautauqu union went nuts saying it was not fair, it was a violation of scope, etc. The Shuttle America pilots didn't see anything wrong with it as they were still working for Shuttle America. Wayne's response was basically this is where they will be after the integration anyway so no harm, no foul. The arbitration ended up coming out before these pilots ever hit the line so half way though training, they were then told that they are now training to be E-170 first officers. Yes, the Shuttle America pilots were pissed. The only difference between this situation and now is Chautauqua was hiring at the time. My point is your management at Chautauqua does not respect your scope. Especially the part about only Republic pilots will fly Republic airplanes.

 

[FO 4 Life]

Shouldn't this be on the regionals board?

 

[Beetle007]

Shouldn't this be on the regionals board?

Would you call Frontier and Midwest regionals? How about the combination of Frontier and Midwest and adding Republic's 2000 pilots and 215 airplanes.

 

[CitationLover]

Would you call Frontier and Midwest regionals? How about the combination of Frontier and Midwest and adding Republic's 2000 pilots and 215 airplanes.

Republic isn't an airline, it's a holding company..........

 

[Beetle007]

Republic isn't an airline, it's a holding company..........

"Republic Airlines" is an airline
"Republic Airways" is a holding company

Unlike most airlines...the airline name, paint-scheme, and call-sign don't really matter because they are all flown by pilots on one seniority list.

This is unlike Frontier and Midwest who allowed management to give away their flying to regionals flown by pilots on a seperate list (i.e., Lynx and Skyway).

 

[boomlrd]

This belongs in the regionals section. RAH is not an LCC or National.

 

[Beetle007]

This belongs in the regionals section. RAH is not an LCC or National.

RAH = Republic Airways Holdings

RAH now owns and operates two LCCs (Frontier and Midwest). That is why it is in this forum.

 

[boomlrd]

RAH = Republic Airways Holdings

RAH now owns and operates two LCCs (Frontier and Midwest). That is why it is in this forum.

Frontier and Midwest are operated as separate airlines, they are not regionals. S5, RP, Chitaco are all regionals, live with it. Engines under the wing does not make your airline a major either. SJS lives on.

 

[Beetle007]

Frontier and Midwest are operated as separate airlines,

Frontier and Midwest are in the process of being integrated into Republic. The Republic contract requires all flying to be done under one seniority list by any airline owned by the holding company or subsidiary of the holding company.

Except as otherwise provided in this Agreement, all present and future flying (including that international flying which originates or terminates within the United States or its possessions) and all charters, ferry flights (not including ferry flights of newlyacquired aircraft prior to being placed in revenue service), training flights, test flights, (except test flights assigned to management), or other utilization of aircraft owned or leased by the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the company or subsidiary of the company’s parent shall be performed by pilots on the Chautauqua Airlines Pilots’ System Seniority List in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement or any other applicable agreement between the company, the company’s parent or any subsidiary of the company’s parent and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Airline Division.​

 

[Beetle007]

Republic is currently the combination of 3 separate airlines operated by one pilot group.

Now it will be the combination of 5 separate airlines operated by one pilot group (after integration is complete)

 

[Beetle007]

Frontier and Midwest are operated as separate airlines, they are not regionals. S5, RP, Chitaco are all regionals, live with it. Engines under the wing does not make your airline a major either. SJS lives on.

I am a mid level FO at a LCC (Spirit) and I wish I were at Republic. That is where you will see all the growth and long-term careers. I have heard of some pilots who left Republic to go to LCCs and I think they are crazy.

 

[kf4amu]

I am a mid level FO at a LCC (Spirit) and I wish I were at Republic. That is where you will see all the growth and long-term careers. I have heard of some pilots who left Republic to go to LCCs and I think they are crazy.

Long term careers at those payrates would be awful. If they raise their pay to industry standard, there will be no more growth.

 

[HOMER D POE]

that dilemma sounds like "do I bend over or do I get on my knees and open my mouth"

 

[Beetle007]

Long term careers at those payrates would be awful. If they raise their pay to industry standard, there will be no more growth.

Payscales aren't fixed...they go up and down. 10 years ago United was at the top of the industry. Now the Max A320 captain pay at United is less than the Max A320 captain pay at most Low Cost Carriers.

 

[Beetle007]

Republic is currently the combination of 3 separate airlines operated by one pilot group.

Now it will be the combination of 5 separate airlines operated by one pilot group (after integration is complete)

Sorry...I forgot it will now be the combination of 7 seperate airlines because Lynx and Mokulele are also owned by Republic and being integrated into one list. But we can keep on calling them a regional if you guys want.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Sorry...I forgot it will now be the combination of 7 seperate airlines because Lynx and Mokulele are also owned by Republic and being integrated into one list. But we can keep on calling them a regional if you guys want.

How big would they be if every mainline carrier they flew for would go under or terminate their contract tomorrow? What color is the paint on their airplanes? How many Republic ticket counters are in terminals? I think its safe to call them a regional. When they buy Frontier and Midex, and if they change everything over to Republic airlines, that would be a different story.

True story: I was at a hotel near Midway a few months ago and a guy I was flying with saw a Republic crew downstairs. He told them that the guy he was flying with (me) was furloughed Midwest but didn't really want to go back to a regional. Their response was, "Well, we're not really a regional, we fly 100 seat jets across the country." That is the mentality here. Who pays your airlines bills? If the answer is UAL, USAIR, Continental, etc..Then you work for a regional. Do your captains top out in pay at a rate lower than FO's flying comparable sized equipment at the majors? If the answer is yes then you work for a regional.

 

[boomlrd]

It's useless, SJS is on the loose!

 

[Beetle007]

How big would they be if every mainline carrier they flew for would go under or terminate their contract tomorrow? What color is the paint on their airplanes? How many Republic ticket counters are in terminals? I think its safe to call them a regional. When they buy Frontier and Midex, and if they change everything over to Republic airlines, that would be a different story.

You ask what would happen if the mainline carrier they flew for goes under. I would say they would be better off than the mainline carrier.

Republic is slowly becoming diversified with two "ticket selling" brands and flying contracts for almost every legacy airline. They also have some of the best scope protections in the industry.

I find it ironic that Frontier allowed management to start Lynx even though they saw how poorly that worked out for the legacy pilots. Luckily Republic is forcing management to put Frontier and Lynx on one seniority list. Republic is slowly cleaning up the mess that other airlines have created.