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[IdRtherBsailing]

You ask what would happen if the mainline carrier they flew for goes under. I would say they would be better off than the mainline carrier.

I disagree, Republic does not have the infrastructure to sell it's own product. I am not an airline expert but they need their own ticket stock, rampers, gate slots, etc. etc. Even if they were to combine Midex and Frontier's resources they still wouldn't be able to put all 215 planes to good use. Maybe eventually, but starting your own operation is a hard process, ask anyone at Independence. As you also stated, Republic flies for practically every legacy, 88 of their airframes are emb 135/145 or crj 200's, not profitable for stand alone operations. So as my original statement suggests, they would be in trouble if all of those mainline or legacy carriers would go under or terminate their contracts. The only airplanes they have that have a possible value for stand alone are the 170's or bigger, all of which are on contract to other companies.

My point is that their business model relies on the majors/ legacy's that they provide service for. If that would go away they would have to find homes for a lot of airplanes. Maybe that's their plan with Midex and Frontier. If they go on their own and you get on an Emb 190 or an Airbus and the FA says "welcome aboard Republic Airlines", not United Express operated by Republic, or Midwest Connect operated by Republic, then I would agree that they are not a regional.

 

[Indy319FA]

I disagree, Republic does not have the infrastructure to sell it's own product. I am not an airline expert but they need their own ticket stock, rampers, gate slots, etc. etc. Even if they were to combine Midex and Frontier's resources they still wouldn't be able to put all 215 planes to good use.

Yes they do. Bedford bought all this infrastructure when he purchased Midwest and Frontier. The company is in the process of reallocating aircraft to markets that make the most sense. In November, 190s will be moving to Denver, and A319s will be flying out of Milwaukee.

Maybe eventually, but starting your own operation is a hard process, ask anyone at Independence.

This is a completely different situation than Independence. What it took FLY I 6 months and half a billion to build, Bedford bought overnight.

As you also stated, Republic flies for practically every legacy, 88 of their airframes are emb 135/145 or crj 200's, not profitable for stand alone operations. So as my original statement suggests, they would be in trouble if all of those mainline or legacy carriers would go under or terminate their contracts. The only airplanes they have that have a possible value for stand alone are the 170's or bigger, all of which are on contract to other companies.

My point is that their business model relies on the majors/ legacy's that they provide service for. If that would go away they would have to find homes for a lot of airplanes. Maybe that's their plan with Midex and Frontier.

Fortunately Bedford has been smart enough to keep the 50 seaters and scope restricted 170 flying on seperate certificates. If any of the legacies try and cancel these contracts prematurely (outside of bankruptcy) then they will have to pay severe penalties for doing so, unless Republic fails to meet operational requirements. The new venture gives Bedford someplace to place 170s if a legacy goes into bankruptcy, and gives Republic options to control its own destiny.

Not saying how successful it will be, but this is a different situation from anything that has happened before.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

Yes they do. Bedford bought all this infrastructure when he purchased Midwest and Frontier. The company is in the process of reallocating aircraft to markets that make the most sense. In November, 190s will be moving to Denver, and A319s will be flying out of Milwaukee.



This is a completely different situation than Independence. What it took FLY I 6 months and half a billion to build, Bedford bought overnight.



Fortunately Bedford has been smart enough to keep the 50 seaters and scope restricted 170 flying on seperate certificates. If any of the legacies try and cancel these contracts prematurely (outside of bankruptcy) then they will have to pay severe penalties for doing so, unless Republic fails to meet operational requirements. The new venture gives Bedford someplace to place 170s if a legacy goes into bankruptcy, and gives Republic options to control its own destiny.

Not saying how successful it will be, but this is a different situation from anything that has happened before.

I agree with you, that is with the purchase of Midex and Frontier all of this is possible and probable. But before all of that they rely on others. They are still a regional. They have the ball rolling maybe but not quite there yet. I may want to be a porn star, but until I quit my day job and move completely to gettin it on, I am not. When I go on Priceline.com and have the ability to buy a ticket from Milwaukee to LAX on Republic Airlines I will stop calling them a regional. I will even settle for Repubetaquameritieridex Airways. I'm sure it will happen. The company owning Frontier and Midex are holding companies so those don't count. Republic Airlines is a regional, Chautauqua is a regional, and Shuttle America is a regional. Frontier is an LCC, Midwest is a memory, no matter what it's called Midwest is gone.

What about the silent killer here, that is Skywest losing it's Midwest flying to Republic? This has to stop. Go see Zombieland.

 

[Beetle007]

When I go on Priceline.com and have the ability to buy a ticket from Milwaukee to LAX on Republic Airlines I will stop calling them a regional.

You happen to be in luck...because that day is today.

I just went to priceline.com to purchase a ticket from MKE to LAX. Midwest flight 1505 is an EMB 145 with money being collected by a Republic Airways subsidiary and operated by a Republic Airways subsidiary. No legacy is involved in this transaction.

It is all controlled by Republic Airways Holdings!

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

You happen to be in luck...because that day is today.

I just went to priceline.com to purchase a ticket from MKE to LAX. Midwest flight 1505 is an EMB 145 with money being collected by a Republic Airways subsidiary and operated by a Republic Airways subsidiary. No legacy is involved in this transaction.

It is all controlled by Republic Airways Holdings!

Once again when I can buy a ticket on "Republic Airlines" and talk to a reservation agent at Republic Airlines, and get in line at the airport and wait in line at a counter that says Republic Airlines in big letters on the wall, then I will not call them a regional. You are just proving my point, I don't care who owns who. Saturn automobiles were sold to Penske. Do people go out and say, "Gee, I want to buy a Penske"? No they go out and buy a Saturn. Republic owns Midwest but people are still buying tickets that say Midwest.

Get everyone from every company on one seniority list, then get every airplane flying for themselves as an independent operation, then I am sold. Otherwise all we are looking at is a handful of regional feeders, an LCC (Frontier) and a few others all owned by a holding company.

 

[likeitis]

You happen to be in luck...because that day is today.

I just went to priceline.com to purchase a ticket from MKE to LAX. Midwest flight 1505 is an EMB 145 with money being collected by a Republic Airways subsidiary and operated by a Republic Airways subsidiary. No legacy is involved in this transaction.

It is all controlled by Republic Airways Holdings!

You don't read very well. It says Midwest flight. You even typed it yourself. When you go to Priceline, orbitz, sidestep or travelocity and search by airline there is no such thing as Republic. I even went as far as trying to find a reservations number, no such thing. I called the HQ but they just gave me the number to another airline Midwest or Frontier.

 

[Beetle007]

Republic Airways is not a regional or a LCC. Republic Airways is an airline conglomerate.

 

[Cheeta]

DEN is a dead stick....SWA will spend 100 million dollars and put whoever is flying Frontier routes out of business or at least out of DEN....this will happen...count on it!

So what is left? well Midwest routes.....and we all know how that has been going. Remember Republic cannot compete with companies on routes that the fly RJ's for. This will box them in to very few routes and cause them to sell off Airbuses and or lose a lot of money.

 

[Beetle007]

When you go to Priceline, orbitz, sidestep or travelocity and search by airline there is no such thing as Republic.

An investor would say there is no such thing as Midwest.

Midwest is part of Republic. The only way to invest in Midwest is to buy shares of Republic Airways Stock.

 

[likeitis]

An investor would say there is no such thing as Midwest.

Midwest is part of Republic. The only way to invest in Midwest is to buy shares of Republic Airways Stock.

Are you really that thick? What does investors have to do with anything? Face it there are no republic ticket counter, reservationists or tickets. I don't think there are many people going to ETRADE.COM to buy their plane tickets.

 

[Beetle007]

Are you really that thick? What does investors have to do with anything? Face it there are no republic ticket counter, reservationists or tickets. I don't think there are many people going to ETRADE.COM to buy their plane tickets.

What is your point anyways?

My point is that someone who calls Republic a regional doesn't have the big picture. Republic Airways has become a conglomerate of feeder airlines and stand-alone airlines. Assetts can be shifted back and forth at the discretion of Republic Airways to meet market demands.

 

[likeitis]

What is your point anyways?

My point is that someone who calls Republic a regional doesn't have the big picture. Republic Airways has become a conglomerate of feeder airlines and stand-alone airlines. Assetts can be shifted back and forth at the discretion of Republic Airways to meet market demands.

Until their contracts expire or are cancelled, then what?

 

[Beetle007]

Until their contracts expire or are cancelled, then what?

First - Republic owns gates, slots and ground handling at many airports. They also have infastructure necessary to sell tickets and operate independently.

Second- They have lots of contracts with many airlines...so their contracts will never all expire at once. Also, they have been gaining contracts.....not losing contracts.

Third - If they lose a contract, they will just add routes and destinations to stand-alone airlines that they control (Midwest and Frontier). Since all pilots will be under one seniority list, it gives everyone much better job security.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

First - Republic owns gates, slots and ground handling at many airports. They also have infastructure necessary to sell tickets and operate independently.

Second- They have lots of contracts with many airlines...so their contracts will never all expire at once. Also, they have been gaining contracts.....not losing contracts.

Third - If they lose a contract, they will just add routes and destinations to stand-alone airlines that they control (Midwest and Frontier). Since all pilots will be under one seniority list, it gives everyone much better job security.

Republic Airways Conglomerate have 215 airframes plus the 51 or so frontier bus's. Alright, if you think they have enough gates within those to systems not to mention the demand from the flying public you're mistaken. If they were to lose all of their contracts planes would be parked. It's not easy to break into new markets either.

 

[f9cougar]

yes we are all gonna stand together rp,F9 yx and piss into the wind yeah!!!!!

 

[Beetle007]

If they were to lose all of their contracts planes would be parked.

I don't think they are losing any sleep. They have plenty of contracts and are well diversified amoung the network carriers.

 

[f9cougar]

I went to F9 for a life time .......not the end of your contract.......Oh well the airforce has work.

 

[Beetle007]

I went to F9 for a life time .......not the end of your contract

You do realize that Frontier was in bankruptcy and the last year Frontier posted an operating profit was 2003?

 

[FO 4 Life]

You do realize that Frontier was in bankruptcy and the last year Frontier posted an operating profit was 2003?

You do realize all of Republic's flying is fee for departure. What numbers do you think they would post if they had to stand alone?

 

[Beetle007]

You do realize all of Republic's flying is fee for departure. What numbers do you think they would post if they had to stand alone?

Good point....Frontier and Midwest might drag Republic down a bit since they don't have guaranteed profits from "fee for departure" contracts.

I think Republic is large enough that they should be able to support the dead weight of Frontier and Midwest while they try to figure out how to make those two companies profitable again. You are already seeing Republic re-align Frontier aircraft to Midwest routes in order to try to improve the failing business model of Frontier.