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Hi everyone

I have heard ACA is going through furlough. Wow. I hope things get better before getting back. Things are going great over here. We were broke down range and had to tough it out. Hope everyone is doing good and take care and see you soon. If anyone at ACA gets to Shaw Rd. tell Dean and Lesile I said hello.


Terry Vickers
CRJ/FO
ACA

Its nice when everything in the back of our aircraft does not complain.
 
C141FE said:
Hi everyone

I have heard ACA is going through furlough. Wow. I hope things get better before getting back.

As long as you're planning on extending your tour for five years, assuming we're still around, things should be fine. ;)
 
Ummm,

Don't know how to break this to you but Dean Hess was let go and the Pilot Recruitment department shut down this week (according to Shaw Rd sources).

I understand Dean worked for ACA for almost 10 years.
 
I'm paying off my bills as fast as I can...if I'm going to be on the street, I might as well be debt free.

That's horrible about Dean...he's a great guy. It's amazing how fast things are changing...and it's not for the better....
 
Is there anyone out there know why Dean was let go? I know of the furloughes, but Dean has been there for awhile

TV
 
Dean Hess let go after a decade of loyal service, harsh to say the least. I guess it shows all of us pilots where we stand!

A quote from acaway.com: "Everyone at ACA is of equal importance. The work of the person loading baggage on the ramp is of equal worth to the work of the captain in the cockpit. The clerical work of processing invoices is as important as the work of a station supervisor. We have no special groups. There are no unimportant positions."

Obviously, no unimportant positions, just superfluous positions.

Anyway, I just wanted to see my new avatar.

Tailwinds...
 
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A quote from acaway.com: "Everyone at ACA is of equal importance. The work of the person loading baggage on the ramp is of equal worth to the work of the captain in the cockpit. "

Unfortunately, it seems more in the direction of the Captain being the same worth as a ramper, than a ramper being the same worth as a Captain.....

Where is the comparison to mgt? Looks like this is happening at alot of places lately. Oh, well...it's still better than digging ditches. Hang in there, it has to stop sooner or later.


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But Satan was jealous of the Lord God, as the Lord God begat a son. His name was Jesus. So Satan too decided to have a son. He named him.....Osama....
 
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It sucks to see Dean let go, but when we are furloughing with no real idea of what lies around the corner why do we need a pilot recruitment department? Sounds like good cost savings to me.
 
All,

The bloodletting will go into overdrive today (4/11). All departments are having meetings at 1600 LCL to "let you know your future". I am not talking just pilots, but all employees all the way up through management. Nobody believes me when I say that late Friday afternoon meetings never have any good news.

4lowed
 
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acaTerry said:
A quote from acaway.com: "Everyone at ACA is of equal importance. The work of the person loading baggage on the ramp is of equal worth to the work of the captain in the cockpit. "

Unfortunately, it seems more in the direction of the Captain being the same worth as a ramper, than a ramper being the same worth as a Captain.....
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The way things seem to be going they will be the same person.:(
 
All,

This info. pertains to the training dept. only, but these meetings occured company wide today.

Out of 86 total affected positions:

22 Involuntary displacements back to the line
7 Permanent reductions in force.

These numbers are only the beginning. Expect more training dept. downsizing near June 1st.

4lowed
 
acaTerry said:
A quote from acaway.com: "Everyone at ACA is of equal importance. The work of the person loading baggage on the ramp is of equal worth to the work of the captain in the cockpit. "

Unfortunately, it seems more in the direction of the Captain being the same worth as a ramper, than a ramper being the same worth as a Captain.....

That's for d*mn sure. I'll tell you from first hand experience that they sure as h*ll don't give the same importance to a ramper than they do the captain.

How so? When you're running the last flight of the day to ORF, and you know the CA is giving you bogus weight restrictions for the J41 and challenge him on that, you can bet the company won't back you. Why bother challenging the CA on that? Um, well, last flight of the night, an overweight loading requires you to call out CSR's and dig out carry-ons (loaded in both compartments in back corners, who knows where the ones you need are located) and multiple checked bags, you're looking at a minimum of a 20 minute delay. I liked to prevent those if I could, made less work for me, the CSR's, and the flight got out on time. You guys have NO idea how much trouble I got into, pretty much just for pissing a captain off.

One of the BIGGEST issues I had with station management is that they do not want anybody to take the time to do the job right, just do what you're told, even if your supervisor doesn't know what he's talking about. Heaven forbid you call somebody on an error or tell them there's a better way to do things, management won't back you.

As far as CA's becoming the same worth as a ramper, I concur. I have no idea how you guys can survive on first year pay -- I did all right, but I had to work 15 hours of overtime each week, and I got paid while you guys were sitting out AR and MW delays. I've seen your first year paychecks, and they were less than mine and you worked longer duty weeks.

And for those that say, "Well the pilots aren't being productive during plane changes, so why should they get paid?" At IAD, the rampers get away with murder. They have so much paid non-work time that it's ridiculous. From the time your flight left and came back, we did not lift a finger. Once you landed, we had to turn the plane and load it, and once those were gone, we sat around doing nothing until the next bank came in.

I guess the point is how you first year guys are supposed to take a pay cut is beyond me.
 
On the Saab, we're usually MZFW limited if the flight is full and there are captains out there who will insist on pulling bags to let a jumpseater ride -- especially if the JS is a buddy. Little do most of them know that quite a few of us "dumb rampers" are capable of running a W&B scenario before the flight and being a couple hundred pounds off at departure raises some eyebrows. Taking excess fuel without informing DX or ops and then springing a weight issue on us 5 mins prior to departure is another common W&B issue. These are both rather simple weight issues; I can see how a CG issue could be difficult to explain to some of our less enlightened rampers.

Bottom line: follow your company's procedures and coordinate your actions. At C8, it is Customer Service's prerogative to decide what will be pulled in the event of an overweight flight. We have a very definite set of boarding and loading priorities to assist us. If you're "tired of rampers that they think they know more about my job than I do" I guess you could say I'm tired of crews that think they know more about balancing the needs of cargo, baggage, and pax -- and the associated cost to bump each. Granted, I think sometimes we unnecessarily castigate crews who tell us "we need to pull x bags" because we think they are telling us exactly what to pull when, in reality, they are merely communicating the amount of weight that needs to be offloaded in the manner which they think will be most easily understood.

Always try to remeber: running an airline is a team sport.

Fly safe,

joe
 
jjbiv said:


Bottom line: follow your company's procedures and coordinate your actions. At C8, it is Customer Service's prerogative to decide what will be pulled in the event of an overweight flight. We have a very definite set of boarding and loading priorities to assist us. If you're "tired of rampers that they think they know more about my job than I do" I guess you could say I'm tired of crews that think they know more about balancing the needs of cargo, baggage, and pax -- and the associated cost to bump each. Always try to remeber: running an airline is a team sport.

joe

I'm all for working together. However, FAR part 91 spells out very clearly that the Captain bears direct responsiblity and is the final authority as to the operation of the aircraft. That includes W&B. Gate agents and rampers are not.
 

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