Liferaft? Hell, I hope you'll survive the ditch.FracCapt said:Wet footprint for pressurization. Are you a good swimmer? If not, I hope you have room in that XP to put a Zodiac and enough gas to get you the last couple hundred miles.
HawkerF/O said:Yep, it can be done with a little bit of planning. First of all, get 6 hours out of your head because it is going to take longer than that. If you go to PHNL leave out of Oakland or SFO, and I would do it early early in the morning so you wont have any delays getting out. If you go to Maui, leave out of Socal. Have the fbo put the nose of the hawker into a drainage grate or something like that so the aircraft is slanted downward when it gets fueled OVER the WING. Get every last drop in there that you can. You'll have to make the trip at .70 LRC. You can cross the water 2 ways, constant FF or constant TAS. For this trip, use TAS and the fuel #s will work out. Just keep pulling the power back as it gets lighter and accelerates and you will make it just fine. Anymore that 50 knots of headwind, and you need to turn back or not even depart. More than 50 knots, and you are asking for a lot of trouble. When you depart make sure you go directly to 380 min, and as soon as you can, get to 400. Hound the controllers if you have to, but make sure you get up there asap. Stand that bad boy on its tail through the teens, then lower the nose and climb it at 270 to .68 out of FL230 or 240. You'll need that speed up top if you are heavy or it just wont go. For some reason Hawker guys like to climb slow, and when it gets to altitude it just sits there with very high AOAs and then it takes forever to accelerate. You don't want that for this trip. Climb it fast out of the 20s on up. Remember, for the most part that wing is a 30 year old design. Also, I know baggage space is very limited, but rent some large O2 takes for pax use. That is really the only way to do the trip comfortably. Rent those tanks and make sure the valve behind the captains head is turned off, as you don't want the pax suxing down your O2 if the cabin gives. Get them their own bottles. Also remember that even if the cabin gives out over the water, as long as the RH engine is working, you have all the pressurization that you need. It might get hot in there, but hey, at least you are alive. Don't accept some early decent. If fuel is tight, plan a flight idle decent at 250 Knots to stay up as long as possible. Just program the decent into the box (If it's Honeywell nz2000s, tell the box what runway you are going to land on, then RH line select that fix. It should be the last item on the flight plan. Now put in the altitude of the runway threshhold +50 feet and ref +10. To go to that fix direct at any point in the flight and have it set up a decent as you programmed, hit Direct to then Line select the right hand side of the fix, which is where you entered the info of alt and speed. It's just takes you direct to the fix vertically as you have it programmed instead of just horizontally. The purple glide spope bug comes up and if you want to wait a little longer, then just dont follow it until you are ok with it. Just keep hitting Dir. to and line selecting the RH side and it will do that for you. Lots of Honeywell guys dont know that trick, but you do now!) After the boss sees how bad the trip over suxed, as soon as he gets home make sure you are with him to select the new paint and interior for the DA2000, DA50 or CL300 that should really be making this trip. None of all this hassle trying to squeeze a few extra miles out of this thing. Now, sit back at .70 and watch the water go by.
Ace-of-the-Base said:OK guys, I'll open myself up again.
If an airplane is able to fly X amount of hours or X amount of miles, then any pro should be able to do that. Safely. Alot of pilots like to second guess the books or the regs. You know the type, they add their own little bit here or there. Are these guys really safer? Can anyone show me how someone doing what the books say an airplane will do has had that get them in an accident (or make one worse)? I've flown every jet airplane I've had the pleasure down to destination + 45 on fuel and down to 200 and 1/2 for wx. You're boss may not need another airplane, he may need another captain.
And just to save you all some typing: Yes I'm a jerk, yes I'm unsafe, yes I don't know what I'm talking about, blah, blah, blah.
Stryker said:Ive done it 4 times in a Hawker 800xp, I have only had to srub one trip because of wind. If you have a wet foot print you dont go, I have never landed in Hawaii with less than 2200 pounds of fuel. A good rule of them is if you average wid component is more than 65 knots on the nose you might want to postpone it for a couple of days untill the wind drops.