Hawaiian to aquire another 767

[Whale Rider]

Go Hawaiian!!!

Great news guys! Hopefully all 98 will be back and flying soon. Congrates and best wishes for a better future.:beer:

 

[Erndogg]

A new bid with 24 recalls is suppose to be out later today or tomorrow: Mr. Lee is on his way back from SYD today and has to review the numbers to see if they jive. (per Mr. Drake on hanger talk).
I hear it contains 16 Captain slots in HNL and 2 in SEA. I guess the rest would be 767 F/O slots in HNL?
I hear that they are trying to get 1 of the 767's on line by June? Also there will be no A/c in C check.
They probably want to get a class all up and checked out by early June. SAN-OGG-SAN starts on June 11th and will be permanent (year round) if I recall.

 

[mdanno808]

If someone could ask Mr. Lee what if anything ALPA is doing regarding the staffing formula. Kirk basically has said that it is obviously flawed, and needs to be addressed, but nothing has been said since. J. Lee should be able to answer the question as to how they are going to staff the airline with the new aircraft on line.

 

[mdanno808]

Saw the 06-01 vacancy bid. 22 recalls. BTW, who the hell is this guy sending the furloughee's emails under the nav8r email address?

 

[HAL]

Saw the 06-01 vacancy bid. 22 recalls. Congratulations guys. So HAL, the ball is in your court. Good luck with your decision. BTW, who the hell is this guy sending the furloughee's emails under the nav8r email address?

Only 22? Did they say anything about further recalls later on? I don't think 22 recalls will come anywhere close to covering three new planes. Has it been posted anywhere official yet?

As for nav8r, I know who he is, but haven't gotten any e-mails from him. What's he saying?

HAL

 

[HAL]

Saw the 06-01 vacancy bid. 22 recalls. NO BYPASSES!

None official yet; but I know for a fact some of the top 22 are out of the country and probably don't even know about the bid yet. My guess is just that of those contacted by crew planning, nobody gave them an outright bypass. I'm guessing there will be a few - we'll see.

HAL

 

[mdanno808]

I'll forward you the email's if I still have them. He says hope we all come back, and to think twice about bypassing due to the fact that the pay is good, and the chance of another recall may take a while. I appreciate the well wishes, but don't need people I don't know giving me their opinion of what I should or shouldn't do.

 

[mdanno808]

I emailed you the bid. I want to know what Kirk and Jon Lee have to say about the staffing, and the recalls. No reserves on numerous days each month, tons of open time, and guys flying recall at record rates. Seems like a flawed formula to me.

 

[dash8driver]

don't need people I don't know giving me their opinion of what I should or shouldn't do.

oh well...i guess i wont email you then.





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[HAL]

Yep, I saw the bid. 22 recalls plus 4 returning LOA's makes 26. 11 retirements coming up, so they actually expect to fly THREE additional aircraft with 15 additional pilots.

Seems to me that the formula certainly is very, very flawed.

HAL

 

[FlickerFade]

Fellas!

I read the bid and it does appear to be the full requirement, but I believe that this story is yet to be finished.
There will need to be 38+ guys in training for this with the re-upgrades and requal furloughees. They don't plan to get the aircraft online for months, they didn't furlough all 98 at once, why would they recall enmass?!

It seems great news that they are doing some so quickly. You've gotta remember that 767 sim time is at a premium and they can only train so many at once. But they see the need for guys immediately.

All in good time. And no way do all 22 take recall.

 

[HAL]

Fellas!

Why in the world do you think that 22 is the full recall for staffing 3 aircraft?!

Because Mr. Brad O'Handley (right hand man to God apparently) said so.

Total positions in each domicile and status include increased requirements for additional aircraft,
replacement for all retirements through the end of February 2007 as well as positions that are excess to the
staffing formula requirement that will be carried at Company discretion. Future vacating of any position
that is excess to the staffing formula requirement will not necessarily generate a requirement for a vacancy​

to be posted for bid.​

Not that we actually think it is true, but it is all we have to go with for now. But you're right FlickerFade, more are needed unless they plan on getting that single-pilot exemption for the 767.

HAL

 

[Erndogg]

The recall goes to Ardenvik. 22 slots, it would have been more if not for those guys returning from LOA's.
That ER plane is targeted for December, so I would think you will see another bid sometime soon? Brad is not figuring that into the staffing right now? Or do I expect that these 22 guys are enough.

 

[mdanno808]

Flicker,

I realize that there will of course be more recalls in the future. What I would like to see is an explanation from ALPA as to how the staffing will affect the future recalls (ie. how many recalls for the 5 aircraft). I wouldn't get too excited though. While this is great news, I don't think we'll be back any time this year. These 22 (plus the 6 back from leaves) are sufficient to staff the Delta aircraft. If we don't recieve that 5th plane, this is all the recalls that will occur until retirements mandate a recall. Hopefully ALPA get the company to admit that they need some more crews.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

March 22, 2006, 8:48AM

Hawaiian Holdings Posts Wider 4Q Loss

© 2006 The Associated Press
HONOLULU — Hawaiian Holdings Inc., parent of Hawaiian Airlines, on Wednesday posted a wider fourth-quarter loss due to increased fuel costs and an unusually hefty income tax provision.
The company, which emerged in June from Chapter 11 bankruptcy, posted a loss of $19.5 million, or 43 cents per share, compared with a loss of $1.7 million, or 5 cents per share, in the prior-year period.
Revenue totaled $210.3 million in the 2005 fourth quarter. For bankruptcy related accounting purposes, the holding company removed the airline from its fourth-quarter operating results and generated no revenue during the period.
"The year was a challenging one, as high fuel costs and intense competition curtailed our profitability and resulted in a loss for the fourth quarter," said Mark Dunkerley, president and chief executive.
Fuel costs increased 49 percent to $59.8 million in the quarter. Total operating expenses were up 22 percent to $220.6 million. The company noted that the quarter was also hurt with an unusually high provision for income taxes.
Full-year losses totaled $12.4 million, or 31 cents per share, in 2005 versus $7.3 million, or 24 cents per share, in 2004. Revenue amounted to $504.3 million in 2005.
Shares of the company fell 23 cents, or 4 percent, to $5.34 in morning trading on the American Stock Exchange.

 

[FlickerFade]

PROFIT for 2005 was $10.5M pre-tax hit. HA paid out profit sharing to its employees based upon this figure.

 

[Erndogg]

PROFIT for 2005 was $10.5M pre-tax hit. HA paid out profit sharing to its employees based upon this figure.

Yah! I got a nice little surprise in my mailbox too.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

All I got was a rock

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

Are those 767's from Delta 300's or 100's. I thought they were 100's but this story says otherwise.



Hawaiian Air posted loss last quarter

The local carrier also lost money for all of 2005 but says it is building revenue and controlling costs

Star-Bulletin staff
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Hawaiian Airlines' parent company yesterday posted a loss for the last quarter of 2005 and for the year, during which the carrier emerged from bankruptcy protection.
"The year was a challenging one, as high fuel costs and intense competition curtailed our profitability," said Mark Dunkerley, president and chief executive officer of Hawaiian Holdings Inc. "These factors have continued in 2006, but we continue to make progress towards our goals of increasing operating revenue and controlling expenses."
For the three months ended Dec. 31, Hawaiian posted a net loss of $19.5 million on revenues of $210.3 million, versus a loss of $1.7 million for the year-earlier period on revenues of $184.1 million.
For all of 2005, the company had a net loss of $12.4 million on revenues of $504.3 million, compared to a loss of $7.3 million for all of 2004. The company did not give a comparable revenue figure for 2004, citing accounting complexities related to the bankruptcy.
Fuel costs weighed heavily on Hawaiian's operations. The airline's $60 million fuel bill in the fourth quarter accounted for 27.1 percent of its operating expenses, versus 22.2 percent in the same quarter of 2004.
Traffic stayed healthy, however, with the carrier's planes flying 89.7 percent full in the fourth quarter, up from 86.8 percent a year earlier. The airline said its revenue passenger miles -- the total mileage flown by paying passengers -- rose 11.4 percent for the quarter and 7.7 percent for the year.
Since Hawaiian emerged from bankruptcy, it has taken on more debt and acquired four used Boeing 767-300s for its long-haul routes. It faces competition not only from Aloha Airlines, which emerged from its own bankruptcy protection last month, but also from Mesa Air Group, which plans to start interisland service next quarter. Hawaiian has sued to delay Mesa from coming here, alleging Mesa used Hawaiian's confidential internal business information in forming its plans. Mesa has countersued Hawaiian, alleging the incumbent carrier violated antitrust laws.

 

[Jim]

They are 300s but not ERs.

 

[HighSpeedClimb]

You guys ought to fly that to Newark, only CO is doing that now.

 

[Erndogg]

You guys ought to fly that to Newark, only CO is doing that now.

We were going to serve JFK but before we could announce it Sept 11th happened.
The East Coast market is a competative market and would be hard to establish with no feed from another airline. We have studied BWI,BOS,JFK,PIT etc... but no decisions have been made yet.

 

[JTrain]

We were going to serve JFK but before we could announce it Sept 11th happened.
The East Coast market is a competative market and would be hard to establish with no feed from another airline. We have studied BWI,BOS,JFK,PIT etc... but no decisions have been made yet.

You'd think the New York area would be logical, with a huge local market, and people who'd love to visit HI for vacation, etc.

BTW how long a flight is Hawaii to NYC. From reading this thread, I'd presume a 767-300 could do it - correct?

 

[mdanno808]

I just jumpseated home on CAL from EWR yesterday and it was 10:30 minutes (on a -400). That was with a pretty stiff head wind. JFK would be about the same time.

PS I didn't even get a rock. I got a pay check that shorted me 3 days of international per diem, and a JA from scheduling.

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[HAL]

We were going to serve JFK but before we could announce it Sept 11th happened.
The East Coast market is a competative market and would be hard to establish with no feed from another airline. We have studied BWI,BOS,JFK,PIT etc... but no decisions have been made yet.

I think going to the east coast would be a smart move. HA doesn't have any 'feed' from any of their other cities either, but that doesn't stop them from having the highest load factor in the business. With 10+ Million potential passengers in the NYC area, I think filling 250 seats a day would be doable.

The only thing I'd worry about is whether the engineering dept. is looking at the winds and runways at the possible cities. JFK is fine, but BOS and BWI would be marginal for a fully loaded 767-300 to HNL without a fuel stop.

On a different note, so far I know of only one definite bypass on the vacancy bid, so it might not go too much farther down the list than initially shown.

HAL

 

[Erndogg]

On a different note, so far I know of only one definite bypass on the vacancy bid, so it might not go too much farther down the list than initially shown.

HAL

Hal,
Is that our guy that's at AQ??

 

[HAL]

Hal,
Is that our guy that's at AQ??

No, but I don't know what he's doing. Like I said earlier, this top bunch of the furloughees is the group I know the least about. There may very well be more that we won't know about until the bid is complete. The one bypass I know of is #9 on the recall list, currently flying for Polar. That person is waiting to find out about the Polar/Atlas merger first.

HAL

 

[mdanno808]

Has anyone heard from ALPA what is being done regarding the staffing formula? I saw Kirk's memo a few months back, but nothing since. With the retirements through Feb 2007, we are only increasing the staffing by 13 for 3 new aircraft (plus the spare). Where is ALPA?

 

[Erndogg]

Has anyone heard from ALPA what is being done regarding the staffing formula? I saw Kirk's memo a few months back, but nothing since. With the retirements through Feb 2007, we are only increasing the staffing by 13 for 3 new aircraft (plus the spare). Where is ALPA?

Kirk's arguements toward the company (Glasgow/Ohandley) regarding the lack of reserves on certain days have fallen on deaf ears.
The company is intent on paying recall pay to fill in the shortfalls since it is cheaper to pay out the $$$ than recall a pilot off of furlough. (they can adjust the staffing formula to their advantage.)
I know you probably have heard this time and time again, but it is the company's stance and I dont see them changing it. What has to happen is that they have to start paying out so much money in recall (could happen soon) or have cronic delay problems due to lack of crews to change their stance. And with the way they are working the pilots right now-I can see that being a problem in the near future.
Reserve guys are flying close to 75 on the 767 and they reduced 2 F/O's on the interisland side while adding some evening flights.
In my opinion I would say that this bid is inadeqate and will soon find out once the A/C get here.
Had Lopez on the J/S the other day and said he took a look at the Delta Birds out in Victorville. Eventhough that bid says Sept for thr first A/C-I wouldn't be surprised if you see one of them soon.
He said that they were in decent shape and could be moded in a matter of a couple of months.
Hope that helps.

 

[Smoke Toliet]

Sorry to interupt but I was curious what the retirement numbers are for the next ten years or so?