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To try to head off a "my airline has tougher route structure wx than yours" thread...........


The point is that HAL's operational performance has taken a 180 degree turn over the past few years. With new aircraft, technology, operational leadership, employee action, etc., etc., This record of ontime performance is a dramatic improvement.

Re: the low complaints and baggage loss, this is a stronger stat to stack up against other carriers.

Ultimately, even taken in a closed system, Hawaiian Air is doing a good job at being a full-service airline.

Now get me some more 767's!!!!!!!!!! (and get that 787 order in while Boeing is still in a bargaining mood).
 
I know this might be the wrong thread for this but since there are a bunch of Hawaiian pilot here I would at least try. How many jumpseaters do you take? And are the loads always very high or are there at least a few seats om most flights. Thanks in advance...

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We are in the process right now of implementing the CASS system. Once we incorporate it (hopefully by the end of the year) we can take 2 jumps on the 767 and 1 on 717 (interisland).
Right now we can only cabin seat (if avialiable). I would try LAX-HNL on flight 9 (good non-rev avialiability in most cases) it departs at 6:25 p.m. local time PDT Daily:) .
 
Just to clarify, we can take as many jumpseaters as available seats in the back. Sometimes PDX has seats, especially on the days they have a second flight to OGG. It's hit or miss, you can get stuck for a week or you can get on when you least expect it. Good luck.
 
By the way flickerfade. You mentioned 787's. A station manager said at a recent monthly meeting they hold for all the station managers Dunkerly spent a lot of time explaining why the next generation aircraft are so important to Hawaiian. The 40% fuel savings are a big deal (no surprise there). It seems they want to expand as much as they can IF they can find the right airplanes, but they are definetly looking long range.
 
787's? WTF? Better focus on used 767's right now don't you think? BTW, what's the deal with the 2 AC that HAL has a letter of agreement to lease? Is it true that HAL was outbid, or is that still unverified?

Do any of you guys know what happens if a person is not recalled within the 6 years? Is an extension possible, or do you without question lose the longevity you had gained until the furlough?
 
787's? WTF? Better focus on used 767's right now don't you think? BTW, what's the deal with the 2 AC that HAL has a letter of agreement to lease? Is it true that HAL was outbid, or is that still unverified?
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Rumor going around work is YES they did get outbid and decided to fold up their tent for the next bid.
Stayed tuned if there is any mention of it this Tues 8/9???
 
reference my earlier post in this string: we'll hear a rumor, debate it to death, then it never happens. Apply this to every 767 acquisition rumor that has come out.
 
Dan Roman said:
Just to clarify, we can take as many jumpseaters as available seats in the back. Sometimes PDX has seats, especially on the days they have a second flight to OGG. It's hit or miss, you can get stuck for a week or you can get on when you least expect it. Good luck.
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Are you guys gonna be in CASS?
 
Pualani's livery would look right at home on a 744 brah!.....;)
 
reference my earlier post in this string: we'll hear a rumor, debate it to death, then it never happens. Apply this to every 767 acquisition rumor that has come out.
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Pesident Dunks latest hotline message is that we got outbid for 1 767 and we are bidding for a total of 6-from another source.

He mentioned North American pulling out of the Hawaii market to shift their planes to more profitable Charter operations.

Delta's new nonstop route to KOA was also brought up and how it would effect our interisle market. Dunk said that aquiring more aircraft was one of the more inportant issues and he would have more news soon.

Dunks comments are not RUMORS they are facts. Hopefully we win some of these bids and bring the guys back soon.


Whale Rider-Who is Roth going to throw the ball to this season???
NO Ward No Buress-who's left???
 
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Erndogg said:
Whale Rider-Who is Roth going to throw the ball to this season???
NO Ward No Buress-who's left???
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Hines Ward and Antwan Randle El are still there, However I think its going to be 80% Ground Attack 20% Air Attack. :D
 
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Thks Ernd..

Just listened to the Exec. line. MD mentioned 1 767 bid that fell through, that it the first official word I've heard about any bids, the rumors were way more speculative.

Where did you hear 6? MD just said that they were in hot pursuit of a/c. Glad they are being smart about the search, Adam's crowd overpaid for the LTUtifuls. Also glad to hear about the search.

MD was lamenting DAL's new Kona flt., coming from cities HAL doesn't serve. On the balance, 10 fewer North Am. flts a week from an area HAL does serve would seem to more than make up for any potential loss. Plus, DAL charges more than NA, right?!

Now get me that 787!!!
 
The 787 is the eventual a/c for the future. But I feel it's just a matter of time before we see more 767's. Unfortunately the ones I hear they are bidding for are not in the greatest shape and will need some $$ thrown at them to bring them up to par.

I was flying with a Captain that is a reliable source when he gave me the 6 a/c figure but I am sure more used a/c could be coming onto the market soon. The goal is to not get stuck with older 767's (long leases) but to alliviate the need and do some expanding at a resonable price for these A/C.
Hope that helps. Want to get you guys back soon!!!
 
So who is the 6 aircraft information coming from? Was it braddah Dunk, or was it a line pilot?
 
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Are you guys gonna be in CASS?
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Yes, when is another story. About a month age the Chairman of the jumpseat committee said in about 2 weeks. I think that's about the third time I've heard "cass is almost here". That said, they are working on it and I'm not blaming anyone, it just appears that roadblocks keep poping up. I'm sure it's a more complex deal than I'm aware of.

New for the rumor mill (well not that new). The rumor about 717's in LAS is getting stronger. It's now, 4 717's based in LAS to fly to the midwest. MDan, I had the same reaction as you, but I'm starting to warm up to the idea. 717's from the midwest feeding our 767's to Hawaii as well as seving LAS might not be a bad way to expand Hawaii service to the midwest. Once a market matures, they can put a nonstop flight on it.
 
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787's? WTF? Better focus on used 767's right now don't you think? BTW, what's the deal with the 2 AC that HAL has a letter of agreement to lease? Is it true that HAL was outbid, or is that still unverified?

Do any of you guys know what happens if a person is not recalled within the 6 years? Is an extension possible, or do you without question lose the longevity you had gained until the furlough?
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I don't think you'll be out anywere near 6 years, but if that happened I can assure you, you'll be extended.
 
I don't know how HA would do out of LAS, but I can tell you that as an LAS based pilot, every single freakin flight is packed - day in and day out for AWA as well as all the other carriers I've seen. Ever since I got based there this spring it's been a zoo every night. It's a hot market, and if HA played their cards right (pun intended) the opportunity is there. If the HA image is marketed correctly (and the seats priced right) it could be a very good opening into the domestic market. The biggest sticking point I could see is the upcoming end of the 717 production line.

Question for Dan Roman; how long were they guys hired in '92 out on furlough before coming back as hiring resumed in '98? And what was the longest furlough period you know about at HA?

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Question for Dan Roman; how long were they guys hired in '92 out on furlough before coming back as hiring resumed in '98? And what was the longest furlough period you know about at HA?

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I know Strasser was out almost 6 years. I think Sweet was over 6???

And dont worry losing recall rights-All the guys/gals out will be the first ones called


MD was lamenting DAL's new Kona flt., coming from cities HAL doesn't serve. On the balance, 10 fewer North Am. flts a week from an area HAL does serve would seem to more than make up for any potential loss. Plus, DAL charges more than NA, right?! back regardless of how long they are out.
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The Vegas rumor makes sense since flying non stop to Midwest/East coast is risky with no feed. Unless we land a code share with a somebody that can provide us a passenger base we are taking a big risk!!
That would make Vegas a credible choice. I belive DL charges more, but I dont know. The new San jose service will pick up some of those pax that would of otherwise taken North Am. If there are any 717's showing up I would not think they would be for interisland ops???
 
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Don't quote me, but I think Sweets furlough was the longest. I believe he was concerned about the 6 year limit, but, check with him, our union was adamant that it be extended if necessary and the company had no problem with it. WE WILL NOT FORGET YOU! He's a rep now so you couldn't ask for a better person representing you in these matters, he's been there. Again, I know it's scarry being out, but you will be back and you won't be anywere near 6 years. If we had come out of BK on schedule, we would have had 3 767's coming. They are reducing some profitable flying to start SJC in Sept. with the intent of getting aircraft to bring back the reduced flights and to expand.They are still very actively looking and it's a very volitile market. All kinds of things will change over the next 12 months (12 weeks? days? minutes?) and the right expansion oppertunity will happen. Ranch and Dunkerly are going to do it right. We have all seen how poorly planned expansion can bite you in the okole. It's happened to us and it's happening to our brothers and sisters at AQ.

Hang in there, I saw the furloughed pilots survey. Very well done!. It sucks your furloughed, but a lot of interesting stories. can't wait to fly with you folks again.
 
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Also HAL, I understand they do have 717's lined up, I heard they are in Australia.
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Ex-Quatas 717's????
 
Ex-Quatas 717's????

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Probably Jetstars 717's (Qantas low fare div.). They are still operating them (saw some in Syd recently).

They probably are trying to go with a more common fleet plan. I've seen them operate 737's,767's,A-320's, and 717's on their domestic routes.

Virgin blue is taking it to them and they have one type of A/C -737's.
 
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Hawaiian to serve San Jose

http://www.bizjournals.com/search/bin/search?t=pacific&am=pacific&q=""&f=byline&am=120_days&r=20[font=Times New Roman,Times,Serif]Hawaiian Airlines will offer daily service between Honolulu and San Jose, Calif., beginning Sept. 29.

The service, using Boeing 767 aircraft, will leave Honolulu at 1:30 p.m. and arrive at San Jose at 9:40 p.m., all times local. The westbound return will leave San Jose at 9:20 a.m. and arrive Honolulu at 11:45 a.m.

Thousands of Hawaii expatriates live and work in Silicon Valley, so the service should have abundant two-way traffic, but American Airlines tried it and suspended its own service this summer. Hawaiian has a lower cost structure.

Hawaiian did not issue a news release on the service expansion but features it on its own Web site, and San Francisco Bay area media got wind of it as Hawaiian festivals in the Bay area began promoting their events coming later this month, including contest drawings for free tickets on the new service.

Hawaiian serves Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento, Las Vegas and

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