GVSP or a Global Express?

[GVFlyer]

Re: You have to explain how!

No, no, GVFlyer. He said you have to EXPLAIN HOW the global operates against the laws of nature and physics, not that it just does.

We're waiting.

Check your PM's. If I do one more iteration of why the GV is a Wonder Jet and the Global Excuse is the flying equivalent of a fishing trawler, the denizens of this board will be trying to get through my server with pitchforks and torches.

GV

 

[hogdriver00]

Agreement!!

If I do one more iteration of why the GV is a Wonder Jet and the Global Excuse is the flying equivalent of a fishing trawler, the denizens of this board will be trying to get through my server with pitchforks and torches


We can agree on Something.

 

[bigD]

You guys are all hitting the pipe WAY too hard.

The G-V? C'mon...I don't care how well the thing flies - it fell from the ugly tree and hit every friggin branch on the way down.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's all about the Citation X! Be sure to tell me all about how well your G-V handles as I'm blowing by at .92.

 

[GVFlyer]

What???


Big D,

It must hurt to be so misinformed. This is from the FAI World Record Book for speed over a recognized course. The Citation has the record for speed in it's class, but not overall - that belongs to the Gulfstream. Just so you don't have to get out your calculator, the GV averaged 535 MPH from New York to Los Angeles in the factory demonstrator; the Citation was over 26 MPH slower.

Teterboro, NJ (USA) - Van Nuys, CA (USA) : 819.39 km/h
Speed over a recognised course
Benjamin M. BUDZOWSKI (USA), Mark O. SCHLEGEL
11/05/1995 Aircraft:
Cessna 750 Citation X
Registration: N752CX
Engines: 2 x Allison GMA 3007C, 6 000 lb each

Teterboro, NJ (USA) - Van Nuys, CA (USA) : 861.98 km/h
Speed over a recognised course
Tom OWENS (USA), Christian M. KENNEDY
03/07/2000 Aircraft:
Gulfstream Aerospace G-V
Registration: N5GA
Engines: 2 x BMW Rolls-Royce BR710, 14.750 lbs each

The G-V? C'mon...I don't care how well the thing flies - it fell from the ugly tree and hit every friggin branch on the way down.

Have you actually seen a GV, or just had a Citation salesman tell you what he thinks one looks like?

Sober up before you attempt a reply.

GV








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[hogdriver00]

GV

You had to get him started again didn't you?

 

[banned username 2]

You guys are all hitting the pipe WAY too hard.

The G-V? C'mon...I don't care how well the thing flies - it fell from the ugly tree and hit every friggin branch on the way down.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - it's all about the Citation X! Be sure to tell me all about how well your G-V handles as I'm blowing by at .92.

Oh man! What did you go and do THAT for... he was sleeping quietly!

Will you guys ever learn!?!?

Besides everyone who is anyone already knows the 900EX looks better than both of those ugly machines!

 

[bigD]

LOL! Part of the fun of writing my post was the anticipation of GVFlyer sniffing it out and responding!

My Acura will go 400 miles on one tank of gas at some given speed. A Ferrarri might do 400 miles as well, but I'd be willing to bet that it'd have to be travelling much slower than the Acura to make 400 miles on one tank. So when I'm out cruising for chicks, do I take the Acura because it can maintain a faster speed over a specific distance?

Nope.

But hey GVFlyer - you know darned well that I'd take your job flying the G-V any day, so don't take it personally! After all, when I'm in the cockpit, I can't see the ugly monstrosity wrapped around me anyway! And when I'm approaching the plane on the ground, I'll just remember to walk backwards.

::hopes GVFlyer knows that everything I say is tongue in cheek::

 

[bigD]

Hey FalconCapt - that 900EX is definitely a classy bird! I'm not going to argue with you there. Especially since I hope to get a cockpit tour the next time you're down at KAUS!

 

[banned username 2]

Hey FalconCapt - that 900EX is definitely a classy bird! I'm not going to argue with you there. Especially since I hope to get a cockpit tour the next time you're down at KAUS!

As long as I get some BBQ at the Salt Lick!

 

[bigD]

That's a deal!

 

[Snakum]

I think I read the aquisition and direct operating costs somewhere for both birds and if I remember correctly, the Global Express is still a tad cheaper up front and the DOC is about 50% of the GVs. Granted, the GV is one sexy ship, but that's quite alot of dough isn't it?

Also, I've always wondered about pilot requirements for the corporate CLs v.s. the airline RJs. In 1999 a young pilot could upgrade to CA at some regionals/nationals in the CRJ at 2500 hours and haul 50 people A to B. But mins for a corp Challenger FO position hauling a small group of VIPs ran 3000 to 5000 hours. I imagine Captains (back then) needed at least 5000 (probably way more) and with significant time in type. Why is dat?

Just curious ...

Minh

 

[banned username 2]

Also, I've always wondered about pilot requirements for the corporate CLs v.s. the airline RJs. In 1999 a young pilot could upgrade to CA at some regionals/nationals in the CRJ at 2500 hours and haul 50 people A to B. But mins for a corp Challenger FO position hauling a small group of VIPs ran 3000 to 5000 hours. I imagine Captains (back then) needed at least 5000 (probably way more) and with significant time in type. Why is dat?

Just curious ...

Minh

Dat is because we don't haul people from A to B... we haul them from Z to Q and sometimes H (a lot of this is International Flying)... and a lot of times we have never been to Z, Q or even H.... every trip is different, we don't have a dispatcher planning everything and taking care of a lot of the "decisions"... The crew does a lot of this on their own in the Corporate World... From arranging handlers and flight planning, to obtaining airway and arrival slots, to dealing with customs and immigration... even can include obtaining one-time and multiple entry visas.... and that is why they want a LOT of experience for the flight crews... No offense but I don't think a lot of Regional Pilots are making multiple Atlantic crossings per month, working in RVSM airspace, dealing with PANS-OPS or other factors that are daily occurances in the Corporate world...

And the Corporate CL's are not the same as the Regional CL's... The Global Express is not the Canadair Regional Jet... it is an entirely new design made to compete with the G-V... I think you are trying to compare apples to oranges... there is a Corporate aircraft based on the CRJ, but is has very little of the capabilities of the Global Express (GEX) or G-V...

By the way, my company requires a minimum of 2,500 TT, 1,500 multi & 1,000 turbine for F/O's... For Captain we require 5,000 TT, 2,500 Multi, 1,500 Turbine and 1,000 jet as a minimum.... I don't think in recent years we have hired an F/O with less than 4,000 hours and at least 2 type ratings in Corporate Jets.

I don't mean the above to be any type of slam against a regional pilot... just stating that there are a lot of difference between the two jobs than what may meet the eye...

 

[GVFlyer]

I think I read the aquisition and direct operating costs somewhere for both birds and if I remember correctly, the Global Express is still a tad cheaper up front and the DOC is about 50% of the GVs. Granted, the GV is one sexy ship, but that's quite alot of dough isn't it?

Minh

Actually, the Global costs 5.6% more an hour to operate than the G550 (the GV production run has ended after production of 194 Jets. All production GV variants are now either G550's or G500's).

Conklin & DeDecker Spring 2002

Direct Operating Costs

G550 - $1608

GEX - $1698

You are right that the Global is cheaper (but it is also an older design):

G550 - $44,750,000.

GEX - $43,350,000.

The G550 with the Premium Package which includes 5 years free maintenance and training as well as an upgraded cabin with advanced electronics is $47.15 million. Just in case you're wondering - the BBJ is now $51 million.

GV

 

[banned username 2]

You are right that the Global is cheaper

Did HE really just say that?????

::: Thump ::: (sound of me falling off my chair!)

 

[hogdriver00]

Global

Anyone hear about Sprint's Global in Eagle?

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Global

Anyone hear about Sprint's Global in Eagle?

What happened?

 

[hogdriver00]

global

Not really sure. Thought someone might have heard something.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: global

Not really sure. Thought someone might have heard something.

Did they have an incident? accident?

What did you hear and how did you hear it?

 

[bigD]

Stupid Sprint pilots trying to steal my women....

::grumbles::

 

[hogdriver00]

Sprint

I guess they ran off the end of the runway on Friday.