Gulfstream

[Superfueler]

I am considering enrolling in the Gulftstream Academy first officer program. Any thoughts on this? I have spoken to quite a few aviation professionals, and they have said this is a pretty good program, although expensive. It will be hard for me to pay for it, but in this job market it will give me a much better chance of making it.
Thanks.

 

[Cornelius]

You're about to enter a world of pain!

 

[Superfueler]

Could you elaborate?

 

[Brett Hull]

one word

Do a search.

o.k., that was three words.

You'll find all you need to know.

 

[mckpickle]

Get a gun, shot yourself in the foot. The pain is about the same but the Scab heals quicker!

 

[Superfueler]

OK, I did a search for "gulfstream" and didn't get anything constructive. Some of the people on this board make the star wars message board look mature.

All I want to know is if anyone has any REAL PROOF that people that went to Gulfstream didn't get hired becuase of it.


Oh, and to all of you that are going to jump down my throat saying I am a little rich kid who's daddy is going to buy him a job, I'm going to have to spend my own hard earned ramp rat pay, and get myself up to my armpits in debt. 250 hours of B190 time will look alot better in my log book than 250 hours of 152 time, IMHO.

 

[chperplt]

I don't think coming from GS will prevent you from gaining employment at all. I do know however that coming from GS, your cockpit at any job outside of GS may not be too friendly.

 

[bigD]

Seems to me that at only 280 or so hours, you should be focusing on getting PIC time. If you're hell bent on Gulfstream, at least wait until you meet hiring mimimums otherwise. I doubt 500 hours with half of that being an SIC gear monkey isn't going to do you any good.

 

[72Longhorn]

GS

My suggestion is for you to get your commercial pilots license, before you even get on this board and post flame-bait threads like this.

If you don't know anything about Gulfstream then you shouldn't even be looking at 'em, cause if you did you'd know to stay far away from 'em.


72Longhorn

 

[Superfueler]

Sir, I was just trying to get more info, not post flame bait. I guess there are some people that don't like this school, and thats fine, but my question was not about someones like or dislikes.

You say to stay away from them, could you give me a factual reason why I should do this?

 

[350DRIVER]

Stay away from Gulfjoke....- The program speaks for itself.

Probably the LEAST respected program in the world.

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continue to search this board and that should answer ALL questions that you have and may even add a few ( !! )

 

[skypine69]

Ok...here is some factual info for you. If you come fly with me as my FO and I find out you whored yourself out to Gulfstream I will not speak to you except for checklist and safety items. I will let you raise and lower the gear and flaps.
Please do not disrespect this industry anymore than it already has been. If you want to be a whore, go work the corner of 3rd and Market. You will make more money and it might be more fun!

That is all.

 

[Superfueler]

On your CL-69?

 

[Cornelius]

Even 250 hrs of beech time won't get you anywhere. Plus Scabstream on your resume isn't going to help one bit either. Alot of people get jobs flying the little stuff so maybe you should instruct like a lot of us do or did.

 

[350DRIVER]

I think they charge EXTRA for preflight privledges, just a "little" something that you may wanna check into ( )



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[mckpickle]

Ok you want something constructive. YOu are about to spend a crap load of money, and when you get out in six months you still wont get hired anywhere. At least not at places that are hiring now. Ie ACA comair. Why, because everyone else has a butt load more time than you do. So now here you are a crap load of money in debt and no REAL prospects of a job. 500-600 hours will barley get you a flight instructing job right now. IMO you should start instructing, traffic watch, fire patroll, general airport slut, to build your Total Time up. Then if the airlines start hiring again you can always go to Gulfstream(insert nick-name here) and get the multi you need.

Im just afraid that you'll blow all that money then 250 hours later I dont think you'll have a better chance at a job that now.

On a side note, cant someone throw this guy a bone so he doesn't give money to the enemy???

 

[Superfueler]

I'm already an airport slut, aside from working for an FBO, I work part time for a corporate flight department. There aren't any jobs to be had around here. Yeah, I could CFI, but the prospect of flying around for 8 hours a day wedged into a C152 with a smelly high school kid hell bent on killing me doesn't really give me a boner. I figured getting 250 hours of twin turbine time would put me in a much better position to whore myself out to some job that doesn't involve smelly high school kids. It could even help me use my contacts around here to get a job. None of them will hire me without any experence.

I see why you airline guys object to this type of training, but the airline industry is changing. The days of airline pilots making $250,000 grand a year is going to go away, and unions will start to lose their power once non-union, and 'smart union' places like jetBlue, Freedom, and SWA start putting union controlled airlines like USAir and UAL at the bottom of the pile. More and more people are going to use places like Gulfstream to get their feet in the door, no matter how much the 'good ol' boys' scream and cry. Rememeber, there were plenty of people 30 years ago that wouldn't fly with a woman or a person of a different race......

 

[skypine69]

Ahhhh.....at last the truth comes out! You dont want to fly around 8 hours a day with some smelly high school kid in a 152. Well i have news for you: A whole ton of other people have done it so why shouldt you? Being a pilot is not easy. It involves learning and doing things that you may not want to do. Like the other guy said, 250 hours in a 1900 isnt going to get you squat right now. You would be better off flying that 8 hours a day in a 152. If you do that you will be up around 100 hours a month. In less than a year you will have 1000 more hours of flight time and look much more attractive to local flight departments.

If you are looking for someone to justify your spending however much GS charges you will not find it here. It sounds like you are going to do it no matter what people say, but at least you cant say you were not warned of the dangers in doing so!

 

[D8drvr]

My two cents.

I hate pay for training. I think ALPA dropped the ball by not making it a priority that ALPA have a say in all airline hiring. If that were the case then UAL ALPA or Delta ALPAcould say they will not hire anyone who has been involved with pay for training carrier. This would have killed pay for training long ago, there would be no future in it. Ah, in a perfect world........

However, this did not happen.

There will be no problems with you being hired anywhere with Gulfstream on your resume. Don't let anyone fool you. You will need competative times in general (I don't think 250 of B1900 will give you all the time you need) of say 1500tt/500multi/1000pic.

So I guess I agree that it may be too soon for you to spend that money (really I wish you wouldn't at all), but it won't hurt your career in the long term.

 

[Mu2Driver]

How about the Air Force?
Do you have a B.S. Degree?
If so why not try for an OCS pilot slot?--that will give you some experiecnce not just hours
The military is probably a much better option than paying all that money for 250 hours. You actually get a decent salary and benefits and can retire at 20 years then go straight to the majors after that (if they are still around). It doesn't make sense to me to pay something like 2x what a type rating costs and get nothing but some SIC in return.