Gulfstream, whats the real story

[tomcat]

Sorry you could not understand the previous. I meant I was not clear on who was getting screwed out of a job, and was trying to say that I am sure there are not a lot of (earned 'em the right way) 1000 hour pilots who would choose to come fly 1900s in FL were it like other regionals.

Murdoughnut- At least as the program is now, not everyone ends up with a job. There are already enough people on this board who think it is PFJ. The Europe thing has come up many times, but doesn't sell here because there is still a "right way" to get your hours.

 

[The_Russian]

I had to read that post a few times to understand it....I'm still not sure I do. Not clear on who's getting what? The concept? Me, neither. Are you telling me that there are actually people who plunk down that kind of coin with 1000 hours already in their logbooks? Well, not only are they whores, but freaking stupid whores.

A quick asside: It just occurred to me, even a whore gets paid for his/her time. I can't even call gulfstreamers whores, can I? Well, until I think of something better I will.

Yes, this is one place that I can express my opinion. I think that it reaches a few people, so it will have to work for me. I speak the same way regarding your employer whenever it comes up, on the internet or not. I live too far away to go stand in front of your building, but even if I didn't I don't want to get too close for fear I may catch something.

Do you fly an RJ? If not, do you have the intent to do so?

 

[CA1900]

By the way, after you've sat right side for 250 hrs. you turn in your ID and get shown the door. How's that feel... maybe something like a whore?

Not really. Whores get paid, not the other way around.

 

[svcta]

Do you fly an RJ? If not, do you have the intent to do so?

I think I know where you're going with this.....but I'll let you lead yoursef there.

No, I do not. And I have no such intentions. I've got a better job...and I've still never paid for one.

 

[The_Russian]

I think I know where you're going with this.....but I'll let you lead yoursef there.

No, I do not. And I have no such intentions. I've got a better job...and I've still never paid for one.

Tell us all about your path to career glory. And, allow me disect it. I am sure I can find you scab'n out somewhere.

 

[svcta]

Okay, I got my ratings....local flight school. Then I flight instructed until 9/11 and that went to hell. So I worked at a bar at night, pumped gas for Signature Flight Support in the mornings and instructed when I could in the afternoons, towed banners for a couple of years, then got a job flying cargo in the southwest in twin cessnas. I did work for a regional carrier for about 2 years. I hated the culture and teh working conditions, going to work made me feel like less of a person, so I quit and now have a corporate job. Flying jets, respected by my employer.

Anyone got a problem with that?

 

[The_Russian]

Okay, I got my ratings....local flight school. Then I flight instructed until 9/11 and that went to hell. So I worked at a bar at night, pumped gas for Signature Flight Support in the mornings and instructed when I could in the afternoons, towed banners for a couple of years, then got a job flying cargo in the southwest in twin cessnas. I did work for a regional carrier for about 2 years. I hated the culture and teh working conditions, going to work made me feel like less of a person, so I quit and now have a corporate job. Flying jets, respected by my employer.

Anyone got a problem with that?

No. But if the details were examined I am sure I could find something juicy.

 

[svcta]

nevermind, this a family show

 

[jetracer5]

Well, this one time I nailed my girlfriend's best friend on her birthday. But she was there, too.

Nice! Was your girlfriend involved or did you just seek a quicky in the back with her friend? Forget the gulfstream crap I wanna hear the details on this!

 

[Jester119]

Gulfers

DONT DO IT!!

GULFSTREAM=TOOLBAGS!
GULFSTREAM=DEBT FOR LIFE!
GULFSTREAM= SAYIN YOU TAUGHT WHEN YOU NEVER DID!

We could go on my 20 pages plus!

 

[dime line]

I hate Gulfstream Pilots!!!!!!! I hate what you do to our industry!!!!!!


ps.. flame away your paying for it

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

A flight school at the airport I work at got a contract with Gulfstream. It sounds like they may be starting up a 0TT -> 121 FO program. Gotta get that 20th paying seat somehow

 

[The_Russian]

A flight school at the airport I work at got a contract with Gulfstream. It sounds like they may be starting up a 0TT -> 121 FO program. Gotta get that 20th paying seat somehow

We had our own 141 school for almost 10 years. Where have you been?

 

[The_Russian]

DONT DO IT!!

GULFSTREAM=TOOLBAGS!
GULFSTREAM=DEBT FOR LIFE!
GULFSTREAM= SAYIN YOU TAUGHT WHEN YOU NEVER DID!

We could go on my 20 pages plus!

I hate Gulfstream Pilots!!!!!!! I hate what you do to our industry!!!!!!


ps.. flame away your paying for it

It is this attitude that is ruining our industry. Shame on you both.

 

[Jedi_Cheese]

We had our own 141 school for almost 10 years. Where have you been?

Getting a college degree so I don't end up at Gulfstream.

 

[Jester119]

Gulf

What happened to the orginal Gulfstream flight school??? Hmmm was there a mid air over deerfield beach??? 10 years you had your 121 school?? What school is that PFT?

 

[The_Russian]

What happened to the orginal Gulfstream flight school??? Hmmm was there a mid air over deerfield beach??? 10 years you had your 121 school?? What school is that PFT?

What are you trying to say? Please clarify.

 

[svcta]

It is this attitude that is ruining our industry. Shame on you both.

WRONG!

 

[GenericPilot]

A friend of mine who was a mil helo guy did it. Work out well.

My friend had a fresh set or army pilot wings (helicopter) and a civilian comm/ME/Instrument. 250-350 hours TT He spent the cash, did the program, and jumped right out and went to a United Express Carrier.

He had been United Intern at Southern Illionois University and had planned for a quick upgrade to the majors. It worked. He did well and worked out of his hometown. He was furloughed but probably now back to work.

If you have a solid background and a way to finance the deal, this program will take you ahead quickly. If you are an average to below average fella, or already in serious debt from flying or other issues, don't go into debt. CFI and get a second job until you land a decent gig.

Good Luck. Bring money. Aviation is a lousy profession for those without adequate startup capital, adequate business skills, or education. I paid for my flying before entering for the military (a couple of low paying jobs and working at the ariport mowing grass). Uncle Sam has the best career options except for a few of the majors and some fractionals. I'm glad I spent 8 years as a military pilot instead of 8 years with a regional. It was a lot more fun and I had plenty of time to enjoy myself. I still fly for money, but it's a side job and not my bread and butter.

 

[svcta]

My friend had a fresh set or army pilot wings (helicopter) and a civilian comm/ME/Instrument. 250-350 hours TT He spent the cash, did the program, and jumped right out and went to a United Express Carrier.

He had been United Intern at Southern Illionois University and had planned for a quick upgrade to the majors. It worked. He did well and worked out of his hometown. He was furloughed but probably now back to work.

If you have a solid background and a way to finance the deal, this program will take you ahead quickly. If you are an average to below average fella, or already in serious debt from flying or other issues, don't go into debt. CFI and get a second job until you land a decent gig.

Good Luck. Bring money. Aviation is a lousy profession for those without adequate startup capital, adequate business skills, or education. I paid for my flying before entering for the military (a couple of low paying jobs and working at the ariport mowing grass). Uncle Sam has the best career options except for a few of the majors and some fractionals. I'm glad I spent 8 years as a military pilot instead of 8 years with a regional. It was a lot more fun and I had plenty of time to enjoy myself. I still fly for money, but it's a side job and not my bread and butter.

Consider all of this as fact(just for a second)....United hasn't hired anyone in 6 or 7 years(and furloughed back even beyond that). And pre-9/11 people were getting hired by just about every major airline in the late 90s after having been at a regional for a year or two. So why did the act of being a gutless punk help this guy's carreer?

There is no excuse!