Gulfstream, whats the real story

[jetracer5]

I'm actually curious, how does Gulfstream decide who gets to stay and who has to go after they get their 250 hours? What percentage of people get dumped on the street after the program?

Well there is no written criteria for permanent hire but like any business they look at your history with the airline. As long as you showed up to work on time and have a good attitude, are professional and 3 current captains recommend you, you will be asked to stay. This weeds out your typical stereotype "gulfstreamer" If your a good pilot and can handle yourself in the aircraft you should have no problem. To put a number on it I would say 10% get there ID taken and sent away like Amish said, and 10% get another job before they finish there time and the rest stick around and upgrade or build more time as an F/O and move on to another regional flying an RJ or something. I would also guess a few leave the industry completely. The other thing is that with the min’s at a lot of the regional coming down to 500TT its has to be hurting Gulfstream. I would guess that the PFT here just may be over just like Comair and Continental Express’s PFT ended a while back. Everybody needs pilots right now including Gulfstream.

 

[svcta]

This weeds out your typical stereotype "gulfstreamer"

The only thing that weeds out a typical gulfstreamer is a show of hands on who bought their job.

the question isn't wether or not a monkey can be trained to fly a jet, but what kind of person we're talking about here. It's a matter of dignity, professionalism, and character, and the experiences that you get from actually experiencing life as a pilot. I think character is the bottom line, though.

Hacks.

 

[tomcat]

So why aren't you standing in front of the GTA to let these people know how they are screwing everyone(including themselves). Still not clear on who is getting it here: is it all of the guys/girls who built up their time CFI/Check hauling/etc., now have over 1000TT and want to go fly 1900's in Florida? It's not like everyone who is a pilot reads this message board to get their airline career advice. You are entitled to your opinion and this is just one of the ways in which you can express it.

 

[svcta]

So why aren't you standing in front of the GTA to let these people know how they are screwing everyone(including themselves). Still not clear on who is getting it here: is it all of the guys/girls who built up their time CFI/Check hauling/etc., now have over 1000TT and want to go fly 1900's in Florida? It's not like everyone who is a pilot reads this message board to get their airline career advice. You are entitled to your opinion and this is just one of the ways in which you can express it.

I had to read that post a few times to understand it....I'm still not sure I do. Not clear on who's getting what? The concept? Me, neither. Are you telling me that there are actually people who plunk down that kind of coin with 1000 hours already in their logbooks? Well, not only are they whores, but freaking stupid whores.

A quick asside: It just occurred to me, even a whore gets paid for his/her time. I can't even call gulfstreamers whores, can I? Well, until I think of something better I will.

Yes, this is one place that I can express my opinion. I think that it reaches a few people, so it will have to work for me. I speak the same way regarding your employer whenever it comes up, on the internet or not. I live too far away to go stand in front of your building, but even if I didn't I don't want to get too close for fear I may catch something.

 

[Murdoughnut]

If Gulfstream were to pay its graduates their standard first year FO pay during their guaranteed 250 hours, would that change people's opinions of the place? Then it would simply be a training program leading to a job, right? Isn't that what they do in Europe?

 

[tomcat]

Sorry you could not understand the previous. I meant I was not clear on who was getting screwed out of a job, and was trying to say that I am sure there are not a lot of (earned 'em the right way) 1000 hour pilots who would choose to come fly 1900s in FL were it like other regionals.

Murdoughnut- At least as the program is now, not everyone ends up with a job. There are already enough people on this board who think it is PFJ. The Europe thing has come up many times, but doesn't sell here because there is still a "right way" to get your hours.

 

[The_Russian]

I had to read that post a few times to understand it....I'm still not sure I do. Not clear on who's getting what? The concept? Me, neither. Are you telling me that there are actually people who plunk down that kind of coin with 1000 hours already in their logbooks? Well, not only are they whores, but freaking stupid whores.

A quick asside: It just occurred to me, even a whore gets paid for his/her time. I can't even call gulfstreamers whores, can I? Well, until I think of something better I will.

Yes, this is one place that I can express my opinion. I think that it reaches a few people, so it will have to work for me. I speak the same way regarding your employer whenever it comes up, on the internet or not. I live too far away to go stand in front of your building, but even if I didn't I don't want to get too close for fear I may catch something.

Do you fly an RJ? If not, do you have the intent to do so?

 

[CA1900]

By the way, after you've sat right side for 250 hrs. you turn in your ID and get shown the door. How's that feel... maybe something like a whore?

Not really. Whores get paid, not the other way around.

 

[svcta]

Do you fly an RJ? If not, do you have the intent to do so?

I think I know where you're going with this.....but I'll let you lead yoursef there.

No, I do not. And I have no such intentions. I've got a better job...and I've still never paid for one.

 

[The_Russian]

I think I know where you're going with this.....but I'll let you lead yoursef there.

No, I do not. And I have no such intentions. I've got a better job...and I've still never paid for one.

Tell us all about your path to career glory. And, allow me disect it. I am sure I can find you scab'n out somewhere.

 

[svcta]

Okay, I got my ratings....local flight school. Then I flight instructed until 9/11 and that went to hell. So I worked at a bar at night, pumped gas for Signature Flight Support in the mornings and instructed when I could in the afternoons, towed banners for a couple of years, then got a job flying cargo in the southwest in twin cessnas. I did work for a regional carrier for about 2 years. I hated the culture and teh working conditions, going to work made me feel like less of a person, so I quit and now have a corporate job. Flying jets, respected by my employer.

Anyone got a problem with that?

 

[The_Russian]

Okay, I got my ratings....local flight school. Then I flight instructed until 9/11 and that went to hell. So I worked at a bar at night, pumped gas for Signature Flight Support in the mornings and instructed when I could in the afternoons, towed banners for a couple of years, then got a job flying cargo in the southwest in twin cessnas. I did work for a regional carrier for about 2 years. I hated the culture and teh working conditions, going to work made me feel like less of a person, so I quit and now have a corporate job. Flying jets, respected by my employer.

Anyone got a problem with that?

No. But if the details were examined I am sure I could find something juicy.

 

[svcta]

nevermind, this a family show

 

[jetracer5]

Well, this one time I nailed my girlfriend's best friend on her birthday. But she was there, too.

Nice! Was your girlfriend involved or did you just seek a quicky in the back with her friend? Forget the gulfstream crap I wanna hear the details on this!

 

[Jester119]

Gulfers

DONT DO IT!!

GULFSTREAM=TOOLBAGS!
GULFSTREAM=DEBT FOR LIFE!
GULFSTREAM= SAYIN YOU TAUGHT WHEN YOU NEVER DID!

We could go on my 20 pages plus!