Gulfstream Academy "pilot factory" SCAM Revealed By CNN

[CX880]

No one seems to care that TWO of the crashes were from the same company PINNACLE. 3701 was a Pinnacle flight. 3407 was Colgan (who is owned by Pinnaacle) Why does this not get the attention it deserves? Sure, ex GIA people were on the planes but GIA does not fly the planes they crashed, so........Who trained them on the planes they DID crash? Oh.... ok Pinnacle training. Am I the only person out there that sees this?

CRJ training is very easy, a monkey can pass it, the AP doesn't even go off if you have an engine failure. The colgan guy had it more difficult and it showed by the multiple failures. But if you pass the retake, nothing they can do about it. People slip though the cracks all the time.

 

[B52GUNNER]

CRJ training is very easy, a monkey can pass it, the AP doesn't even go off if you have an engine failure. The colgan guy had it more difficult and it showed by the multiple failures. But if you pass the retake, nothing they can do about it. People slip though the cracks all the time.

So if it is so easy a caveman can do it, and they have wrecked two CRJ airframes 3701 and the MKE incident that doesn't get talked about since no one was hurt, dont you think something should be done to increase the quality of training? Oh yeah, and there was also that Colgan crash too.

As for people slipping through the cracks..... Once again that is the responsibility of the training department and the flight standards department to take care of training problems and weed out people that can't do the job right. A single failure is not necessarily a concern but multiple failures....6..is. Where was flight standards then?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

CRJ training is very easy, a monkey can pass it, the AP doesn't even go off if you have an engine failure.

The funny thing is, the folks who say that type of thing are generally the ones who never learned how to make a proper crosswind landing. A basic skill and certainly not as easy as a stall recovery. Maybe you really are worth $16,000 a year...

 

[WSurf]

Pinnacle Flight 3701 is another example of poor airmanship. Didn't these two guys allow this plane to drift from 410 to 10,000 before they even worried about finding an airport? By then it was way too late.


How about heading towards a airport, circling it while at that point starting to trouble shoot the problem. Hard to believe they were flying around for about 14 minutes before trying to find a place to land.

 

[s3jetman]

Too bad they weren't exceptional aviators, now they have seats next to Jeffery Dahmer, John Gacy, and Ted Bundy in infamy.
Sorry to burst your bubble, they weren't accidents, these tragedies happened because they were sub-standard aviators, by definition. Did you instruct any of them?
PBR

Yes i did train some of them in groundschool. Your post is a real big boy post you must be proud. I quess the two pilots with over 25,000 between them, that crased into a side of a mountain because they put the wrong ndb in the fms, are what you say "sub-standard aviatiors". I am sure thats the case

 

[PBRstreetgang]

CRJ training is very easy, a monkey can pass it, the AP doesn't even go off if you have an engine failure. The colgan guy had it more difficult and it showed by the multiple failures. But if you pass the retake, nothing they can do about it. People slip though the cracks all the time.

Kinda like you, are you really sure that the A/P does not "kick off" when an engine fails?
Toolbag
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yes i did train some of them in groundschool. Your post is a real big boy post you must be proud. I quess the two pilots with over 25,000 between them, that crased into a side of a mountain because they put the wrong ndb in the fms, are what you say "sub-standard aviatiors". I am sure thats the case

Nice job, and yes by definition "crashing into the side of a mountain" qualifies as sub standard airmanship, but if that's ok for your students, well....I guess that says a lot about your standards.
And I thought you were out.....of what?
PBR
P.S. Did you teach that specific form of "stall recovery"?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

This dildo in the CNN video makes some of the dumbest comments ever that show this idiot knows nothing about the pilots involved in the accidents. CNN is stupid for not doing research to before running a idiot on national tv making comments like he did.

Idiot " These accidents happened because GIA has soft training of a pilots initial pilot foundation"

Flagship - Jesse Rhodes - Off the street captain at GIA came from, i believe, American Eagle via Embrey Riddle. So its either Riddle or AE weak training. He was at Pinchanickle for over 3 years, buy the way Pinchanickle High Altitude training is very poor at best.

Colgan - Marvin Renslow - Primary training at, unnamed flight school, did 250 hours at GIA on an airplane the has neither stall safty features installed on the Q. Primary training on the Q at colgan, 3000 plus hours and 6 check rides at Colgan


GTA - Mark Whiley - Pilot on the 172 mid air, had his family with him and yes probably wasn't flying the airplane 100 percent of his attention outside. But neither was the other plane a Mutli Engine with an experienced pilot who had his CFI. Partial fault for this accident was Pompano tower and FXE tower hand off. Cant blame this on any one individual


I personally knew all of the above mentioned pilots, all were exceptional men and I take nothing from them. God rest, bless, their souls for they have all lost their lives and hopefully have taught us all something new in our experiences.

I'm out, my numbers next!

Common denominator?

 

[HA25]

CRJ training is very easy, a monkey can pass it, the AP doesn't even go off if you have an engine failure. The colgan guy had it more difficult and it showed by the multiple failures. But if you pass the retake, nothing they can do about it. People slip though the cracks all the time.

That's the kind of attitude that is some airlines might take towards CRJ training, but not where I learned it. A good airman always holds himself to a higher standard anyway.

With auto-throttle/auto-thrust, both the MD11 and to a lesser extent the Airbus can handle engine failures with even more automation than the CRJ, which I trained on back in 1998 in Montreal at CAE and where I didn't find it all that easy to be quite honest. I had 2500 hours, 600 of which was in the E120, the bust rate at that time was 25% or more for CA's, and not just because they were weak pilots, but because they took time to make sure that all of us turboprop drivers UNDERSTOOD the difference in flying a jet, as well as work on the usual "monkey" skills like ILS, VOR, NDB, and V1 cuts.. A major fail item in CRJ training back then was the enroute work believe it or not.

Just because an airplane CAN do something for you, doesn't mean you don't learn to do it also, incase all that "Gee wiz" stuff breaks.. 2 engine out approaches for example were hand flown and with most of the hydraulic power out, took significant effort and anticipation to control heading, all the while maintaining ATP standards on an ILS.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm not talking about Gulfstream Airlines. I'm talking about Gulfstream Training Academy. This is the corelation between many fatalities and that flight school.

Everyone that completes training at Gulfstream Training Academy becomes an FO at the airline. And yet, no accidents. Kinda kills your theory.

Gulfstream isn't the problem, here. Pinnacle's corporate safety culture is the problem.