Grievance ruling

FlyDeltasJets

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For those of you who wished us well, thank you. For those of you who were giddy at the prospect of dancing on our graves, now is your chance. Enjoy.

DALPA lost the grievance. I won't see a cockpit again for a very long time. Delta now has the freedom to do what they wanted to do on September 10.

I am trying very hard not to let it get me down, but I'm not doing too well. I will be back someday. But I will never forget today.

Delta had my heart. They'll never get it back.

I know that there are 1000's of guys who feel the same way I do.

Sorry for whining. I'm usually a pretty positive guy. Today sucks. Tomorrow will be better.
 

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What does that mean? Is it completely over with, or is there some type of appeal process? I hope it will all work out. I think things are going to get better pretty soon.
 

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I also don't think anyone would be "dancing on your graves." Nobody wants anyone else to lose their jobs, especially a job we might want to join you in someday. I wish you well, and hope you are back very soon.
 

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Few, if any, want to dance on your grave.

I've never been furlouhged, but have been grounded before. The first time was for a broken foot, and the second time was administrative (thanks to training scheduling and the National Guard). Both times were very stressful.

I pray that you'll land with the blue side up very soon!

Slim
 

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I browse this board frequently to gain information on the industry. I am usually a silent observer, but this has me more interested than usual. Does this decision mean that Delta is now free to operate as managment determines, without regard to the scope and no furlough clauses?
I fly for ASA, and will be affected. I'm sure the pros and cons have been debated to no end somewhere on this website. I hate to see anyone furloughed from any airline.
Good luck to you.
 

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Good luck brother....I feel your pain!!!



Hope something comes around soon!
 

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This could be avery sacry day in aviation. Dos this mean airlines can now ignore contracts they don't like? Every pilot group out there could be in trouble. Also so could manufactruers, airports, even passengers. Can the airlines now just ignore every contract they have, if its not what they like tody?
 

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Tough break. Any truth to the rumor of more furloughs in addition to what was already planned?
 

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FlyDeltasJets,

Don't need to tell you that other pilots in the industry were looking on with a hopeful eye, that's terrible news. Here at UAL, apparently when Goodwin leaves with a $5 million dollar severance, office, secretary, country club membership, car, a falsely increased pension rating over thirty years of service after driving the airline into the ground, they HAVE to give him his golden parachute. To quote "A contract is a contract." Needless to say, not when you're labor.

844 of us at United with you, brother.
 

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Thanks for all of the good wishes, guys. I know that many out there have it a lot worse than I do, I just needed to do a little venting. The news was a big disappointment.

Regarding my dancing on the grave comment...I have enjoyed my time and debates on this board very much, and most of you are gentleman who would not wish ill towards anyone. I know that and I appreciate it. However, there are people out there who are quite happy about this ruling. I don't know if they are jealous, or management apologists, or just hate Delta pilots, but they are out there. I have conversed personally with them on this board and many others. It was towards them that I addressed my post. I probably shouldn't have. After all, I could really not care less what they think.

Thanks to all of my flightinfo buddies for the kind words. Here's hoping we are all back where we belong soon.
 

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FDJ,

Both from the boards, and our private correspondence, you know how I feel. It is a sad day for all of us DAL, and DCI both. I think the road ahead will be, at best rocky for us all.

My heartfelt best wishes for you and your family in most difficult times.
 

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Not having followed the ruling or the process, what exactly happened if you dont mind educating some of us
 

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Well, I've been furloughed, and never called back as the company went out of business. I've negotiated contracts, and been on strike. All of these were with regionals, so I know it's not the same, but I sort of know how it feels. I'm sorry that some people are happy about your loss, and I cannot understand that.

Also, I don't think it means contracts mean nothing. They used a clause in the contract that has to do with wartime emergencies. The union believed this was not an emergency, and the company claimed it was. The company feels it is following a part of the contract, and the union feels it was not. It does not mean the whole contract is null and void. Good luck to all.
 

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War

This is not the end of contracts but should serve as a good lesson as to what happens when an extraordinary event happens.

There is no way that taking hostages and utilizing commercial aircraft for guided missles is not an extraordinary event nor that the President says on TV we engaged in a war, that a reasonable board is not going to say this is not a normal business situation and hence contract void.
 

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publisher,

What I don't understand is why, nearly 8 months later, airlines are still claiming "act of terrorism" and furloughing pilots and violating scope.

Granted, 9/11 was (for the most part) out of management's control, but they are having a field day on this one. For how long can they cry "terrorism" as an excuse for everything.

I'm sorry, but this is plain rediculous.
 

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It really is quite depressing that so many people are getting furloughed, but you also have to realize that if companies didn't get rid of some of their people they would (in the not too distant future) be getting rid of all their employees.
Companies (all of them) are not there to give people a job, they are there to make money, if they are not making money something has to change.
I'm sorry for anyone who has lost there job, but that is what happens in free market economies.
We could all move to Russia and be given a job for life, but the old commie thing didn't work out either.
 
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Would your opinion still be the same if it were CMR doing the furloughing and DAL expanding?????????????????????????
 

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Yes it would.
The same way I sat and waited for 5 years after getting my ATP for the job market to pick up. I didn't start blaming anyone or getting angry, it was the economy.
You can't blame a company for trying to do what companies are supposed to do (make a profit).
 

MetroSheriff

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trainerjet said:
Would your opinion still be the same if it were CMR doing the furloughing and DAL expanding?????????????????????????
Great point...
 
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