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MarineGrunt

MarineGrunt

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I am just curious what some of you Great Lakes guys make in a year. At $15/hr, 75 hrs/month, that comes to 13,500/yr. I don't see how anyone, even single dudes can live on that type of income. Am I missing something?

Not flame bait, they are just one of the few places I have the mins for and I'm not ruling out any of my options.
 
I don't think I ever flew just 75 hours at Lakes. I had several months where i flew 118 hours, with credit for 125 for picking up open time. If you work at lakes, they are going to fly your a$$ off, and you'll learn real quick what junior manning is. My first year was $18k on paper, add another $7k for the per diem. The only way to make a living there is to fly all the time, but thats why you go to companies like Lakes. Its not what some of you would call a career regional.
 
Knob said:
I don't think I ever flew just 75 hours at Lakes. I had several months where i flew 118 hours, with credit for 125 for picking up open time. If you work at lakes, they are going to fly your a$$ off, and you'll learn real quick what junior manning is. My first year was $18k on paper, add another $7k for the per diem. The only way to make a living there is to fly all the time, but thats why you go to companies like Lakes. Its not what some of you would call a career regional.
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That makes more sense. I couldn;t for the life of me figure out how one could make it on 13k...

At least it sound like a fair place to build time...
 
I was on food stamps and that helped a little. Upgrade isn't long. Live with a bunch of friends downtown and just have fun. Lakers know where the cheep beer can be found if the company actually gives you time off.
 
Is Lakes having a hard time getting people since so many other regionals are hiring? Or do they hope for a quick upgrade?
 
Knob said:
I don't think I ever flew just 75 hours at Lakes. I had several months where i flew 118 hours, with credit for 125 for picking up open time. If you work at lakes, they are going to fly your a$$ off, and you'll learn real quick what junior manning is. My first year was $18k on paper, add another $7k for the per diem. The only way to make a living there is to fly all the time, but thats why you go to companies like Lakes. Its not what some of you would call a career regional.
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You guys must do alot of ferrying to fly 118hrs in a month
 
Your probably wondering how a 121 op lets you fly over 100 hours? The little known FAR which states if the company operates a/c w/ 30 seats or less, they can operate under 135 duty regs. I'm sure somebody on here will post the reg, I'm too lazy to look it up since I haven't worked there for a while.
 
When I was there, the mins were 250 hours and you had to have used an HSI at one time. Seriously, avg time 2 years ago were 1000 & 100 multi. It all depends on how badly they need pilots. I know plenty were hired w/ 600 & 50 multi. Look on their website for current mins.
 
Current mins = 750/50.
 
"Great Lakes pay" is an oxymoronic statement, along the lines of "black light" and "government intelligence".

Just kidding - been there, done that, have the W-2's to prove it.
 
After NW gets finished with bending NW/Mesaba ALPA over the table, Mesaba's payrates are going to look a lot like the infamous Great Lakes.
 
I live on the west coast and wouldn't mind working at great lakes since i can get a letter of Rec from my old instructor, she just got hired almost a year ago.... any FO at lakes live on the west coast? whats thier junior base?
 
Lakers

Does GLA hire street captains. I was kinda lookin at it. And what is captain pay over there. Any rumors of growth, fleet plans, or new bases? Seems like props are goin away for passenger travel, hell even 50 seat rj's but lakes is stickin with it i see.
 
i don't see them hiring street captains just b/c of how many upgrade classes they have going....
only have two bases...denver and phoenix....phoenix is senior captain and junior fo......
if you have someone walk in your resume your flight time doesn't really matter, although i think lately they would like to see at least 100hrs multi....you never know......guys have gotten picked up with 500/100, others had 1500/500....
the place is a blast, BUT you better have a sugar momma/daddy b/c the paycheck is painful.....
one last thing.....there is a new chief pilot....A.R. went off to frontier with a few others from lakes so be sure who you send your paper work to.....
 
GLA Hiring

Has GLA started hiring again? I know they had some interviews going and classes in October/November, but I haven't heard of anything new lately? Anyone know if they're interviewing again soon? Thanks.
 
Yup, your numbers are about right. Just add your buck an hour per diem that will go to every dive bar this side of Kansas City.

They want you to have about 100 multi, other than that all you need is a letter of rec. No shortage of people with 1500 TT to upgrade, so no "street" captains.

No expansion, growth, or improvement in the forseeable future. Quick upgrades are solely based on attrition.

This is not an airline I would commute to, plus DEN is a pretty cool town.
 
8-15 month upgrade. That's been pretty standard for the past few years. Some guys have gotten awarded in 6 months, but sat on reserve or flew "super-captain" (captain flying as FO) for another 6 months anyway.

It's all a cycle at Lakes. Just when you think you'll never upgrade and furlough is inevitable, 25 people jump ship and they begin junior-manning and upgrading like crazy and you're right back in the race. There is just nothing stable about a 200 person pilot group.

Rules to live buy with lakes:

Roll with the punches
Cooperate and graduate
Don't take it personal (Nobody is out to get you here, they're just really bad at they're jobs)

Oh yeah...When you're captain is buying, you better drink the beer!
 
808pilot said:
...there is a new chief pilot....A.R. went off to frontier with a few others from lakes so be sure who you send your paper work to.....
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Anyone know who the new CP is? Is Misty still there?
 
kerosene is spot on.....they are and always will be hiring.....if you have tough skin and like to fly you'll fit right in.....
misty is still there...scott brekaus (sp?) is the new CP.....great guy....
 
rod farva said:
How come GL took the United logo off their tail when they still codeshare?

Cheers
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We don't fly as United Express anymore. We operate as Great Lakes Airlines and maintain code-share agreements with both United and Frontier. Basically you can buy a ticket on a Great Lakes flight coupled with either a Frontier or United ticket. Check in at one ticket counter and then proceed to your respective gates.

Express carriers would be like ASA operating as Delta Connection.

Another example of a code-share agreement is AmericaWest and Hawaiian or Lufthansa and United.
 
MarineGrunt said:
they are just one of the few places I have the mins for and I'm not ruling out any of my options.
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Have you sent your stuff in to ASA? Hiring plans seem to be up in the air right now but they've lowered the mins to 600/100.
 

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