Great Lakes Pay

[pilotlbs]

GLA Hiring

Has GLA started hiring again? I know they had some interviews going and classes in October/November, but I haven't heard of anything new lately? Anyone know if they're interviewing again soon? Thanks.

 

[KeroseneDream]

Yup, your numbers are about right. Just add your buck an hour per diem that will go to every dive bar this side of Kansas City.

They want you to have about 100 multi, other than that all you need is a letter of rec. No shortage of people with 1500 TT to upgrade, so no "street" captains.

No expansion, growth, or improvement in the forseeable future. Quick upgrades are solely based on attrition.

This is not an airline I would commute to, plus DEN is a pretty cool town.

 

[psysicx]

So how long is it taking people to upgrade?

 

[KeroseneDream]

8-15 month upgrade. That's been pretty standard for the past few years. Some guys have gotten awarded in 6 months, but sat on reserve or flew "super-captain" (captain flying as FO) for another 6 months anyway.

It's all a cycle at Lakes. Just when you think you'll never upgrade and furlough is inevitable, 25 people jump ship and they begin junior-manning and upgrading like crazy and you're right back in the race. There is just nothing stable about a 200 person pilot group.

Rules to live buy with lakes:

Roll with the punches
Cooperate and graduate
Don't take it personal (Nobody is out to get you here, they're just really bad at they're jobs)

Oh yeah...When you're captain is buying, you better drink the beer!

 

[flyf15]

...there is a new chief pilot....A.R. went off to frontier with a few others from lakes so be sure who you send your paper work to.....

Anyone know who the new CP is? Is Misty still there?

 

[808pilot]

kerosene is spot on.....they are and always will be hiring.....if you have tough skin and like to fly you'll fit right in.....
misty is still there...scott brekaus (sp?) is the new CP.....great guy....

 

[rod farva]

How come GL took the United logo off their tail when they still codeshare?

Cheers

 

[KeroseneDream]

How come GL took the United logo off their tail when they still codeshare?

Cheers

We don't fly as United Express anymore. We operate as Great Lakes Airlines and maintain code-share agreements with both United and Frontier. Basically you can buy a ticket on a Great Lakes flight coupled with either a Frontier or United ticket. Check in at one ticket counter and then proceed to your respective gates.

Express carriers would be like ASA operating as Delta Connection.

Another example of a code-share agreement is AmericaWest and Hawaiian or Lufthansa and United.

 

[shamrock]

they are just one of the few places I have the mins for and I'm not ruling out any of my options.

Have you sent your stuff in to ASA? Hiring plans seem to be up in the air right now but they've lowered the mins to 600/100.

 

[psysicx]

Does GL have a training contract?

 

[Lebowski]

Does GL have a training contract?

Yes. Although the Teamsters contract says that no pilot employee shall pay for training, including initial training, Great Lakes has made signing the training contract a requirement for employment. They side-step the Teamsters contract by not making you technically an employee (and not paying you) until you complete training. This is a double bonus for Great Lakes and not-so-much-of-a-double-bonus for you.

This is the same company that has made no headway in pay negotiations for years. In fact, I view this as an overall pay DECREASE for the pilot group that was done with no negotiation or union input. You all can decide for yourselves.

It's a 15-month contract, that is not pro-rated. Example: If you stay 11 months, they will sue you for the full amount. I've seen it happen, even to people who had been furloughed by Lakes more than once. If you think there's any chance that you might leave for any reason during the 15 months (17-18 months if you include training), then think seriously about this. Even if you don't think there's a chance that you would leave "early" you should talk to someone else who thought the same way and DID leave before the 15 months were up. There are many of those around.

Choose your employer carefully. There are plenty of places that are hiring with similar minimums that do not require a training contract.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Does GLA hire street captains. I was kinda lookin at it. And what is captain pay over there. Any rumors of growth, fleet plans, or new bases? Seems like props are goin away for passenger travel, hell even 50 seat rj's but lakes is stickin with it i see.

When my new-hire class started in October 2000, some of my classmates were supposed to be street captains. However, Lakes changed their policy on street captains just before we started initial and started requiring 300 hours on line before going to upgrade. Unless that's changed, I would suspect that's still the case. Apparently the washout rate was pretty bad for street captains, particularly those with no prior 121 experience.

As for the props going away, I don't see DV giving up the 1900's until the Feds make him. DV has said many times that RJ's just don't make economic sense and like it or not, there seems to be evidence to support his position. As for fleet expansion, there are a number of 1900D's available (is FMN still the big 1900D parking lot that it was a few years ago?), so if DV can land some more EAS routes, you might see some more 1900D's. Don't know if he'd pick up more EMB-120's, but if the situation was right, he might.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Seems like props are goin away for passenger travel, hell even 50 seat rj's but lakes is stickin with it i see.

Props will be around for a while. Bombardier seems to have some interested buyers for the Q-400.

 

[CFI2766]

Hey I was wondering how many days off / month do you average at Great Lakes, and are there flight benefits on united or frontier airlines? Thanks

 

[beech1900pilot]

You will get at least 10 days off a month. Expect to get that on reserves, line holders do get a few more off. Free flying on Frontier, not sure about United.

 

[OverspeedCowboy]

you can jumpseat free on anyone. there's flight priveleges with just about anyone in the U.S., but only F9 is completely free.

 

[kailuaboy]

Do you guys like your job at Great Lakes?

Im interested thats why.

 

[Lost]

Simply put, No.

 

[beech1900pilot]

The pay and schedules suck. But, the mighty beech is fun to fly and most the people there are cool.

 

[tattoo13]

About the training contract...It sucks HOWEVER it is completely legal. One lawyer has taken on around 10 ex lakers to fight it but has lost, havent heard about the appeal process. Several other laywers have looked at it and agree that they can collect training cost if you leave before the contract is up. It's real simple, do your research before you come here, if it's not for you dont put yourself through the all the problems