TiredOfTeaching said:All the negativity out there will pull you into the hole right with them.
Why are we so negative?
SkyBoy1981 said:So why exactly is our occupation not what it used to be?Simple..because of a group of people...
...who are too passionate about what they do and allow their emotions to stand in the way of what is practical. They are willing to go down to some school in Florida and fork out $120,000+ for someone to make them into an airline pilot...
Who cares about money..who cares about work rules...we get to go to work and fly airplanes right? I mean, thats all that matters.
Something tells me the professional aviators of the older era didn't see it like this...
My point is that a certain amount of b!tching and complaining is sometimes necessary to preserve what is left of our occuptation. If we all just walk around content with what we are given and never fighting for what we really deserve...
If, deep down, you like what you do, thats fine...but for the sake of all of us make sure you are getting your fair share of the deal.
Originally posted by Goose Egg:
I've said this before, but I think it has everything to do with having realistic expectations. For example, some people say that "this career ain't what it used to be," which I interpret to mean that I'll never make more than $100k as a pilot. Ok, now consider how many other people, working day in and day out, will never make $100k/year in their lifetimes. And many of these people have much more education than pilots, and will work harder, and be gone more often, and will work just as many holidays. I have Phd. student friends who envy me because, although I don't get paid well, I get to do what I love and they can tell that it positively affects my life.
So, in the future, pilots will not live in giant mansions and have pools and drive fast, expensive cars. That's fine with me, because that's not why I got into flying in the first place. I never wanted anything more than to fly for a living and have a subdivision house and a normal car. That's a realistic expectation.
One other thing that I think causes us to complain is that we as pilots and human beings tend to look at what other people have accomplished and judge ourselves against it. Don't do this, it will only hurt yourself. All you can expect out of yourself is your best. Life is life, and it is not a zero sum game.
SkyBoy1981 said:You're thinking into this way too hard....your fair share is a career with compensation, benefits, and work rules comparable to any other professional career. Your fair share is a company that abides by the pilot's contract.
Most professional careers have improved over the years in the way of employee pay and benefits, there is no reason that ours should keep going backwards.
Goose Egg said:some people say that "this career ain't what it used to be," which I interpret to mean that I'll never make more than $100k as a pilot.
Goose Egg said:Believe me, I see your point about having good work rules, benefits, etc.--I truly do--and I completely agree. However, I don't think that you realize that other "professionals," especially at the entry level, have it just as bad (or worse) than we do. Three examples that readily come to mind are sales, public accountants, and medical interns. Believe me, these guys have a lot crappier work rules than us (read no work rules. They are "professionals.")
Another point that Big Duke Six made is that some people seem to think that work rules, benefits, pay, etc. should remain static in a dynamic business environment. Sure, it'd be nice if we could plan on the security of ever-increasing pay and ever-sweetening benefits, but that's just not realistic. A rising tide raises all boats, just as a falling tide lowers them. As it turns out, we can't even plan on the security of ongoing employment, but that's how the working world is nowadays. If this hasn't occured to you, you might not be thinking about this hard enough.
Define improved. The way I see it, many are in decline, not just us.
UnAnswerd said:100K??? Not for nothing, but if you can't live off of even 50K, you have issues. If I made 50K, I'd feel pretty wealthy indeed.
SkyBoy1981 said:My only point was that sometimes we have to bitch a little or we end up just like them.
unanswerd said:100K??? Not for nothing, but if you can't live off of even 50K, you have issues. If I made 50K, I'd feel pretty wealthy indeed.
skyboy said:...and its people like this that contribute largely to the problem. Thanks for proving my point.
It's all in what you do with it.UnAnswerd said:100K??? Not for nothing, but if you can't live off of even 50K, you have issues. If I made 50K, I'd feel pretty wealthy indeed.
SkyBoy1981 said:....and its people like this that contribute largely to the problem. Thanks for proving my point.
....and he continues to prove my point. You'd better just shush while you're still ahead and before the real hardcores come along.UnAnswerd said:And what was your point? That you can't live without earning $100,000/year? For Christs sake, you steer an airplane. What, do you think you're worth millions???