Grandstanding @sshole Mainline Pilots

[nimtz]

Ah those losers will never have the balls to take back their flying. Dude hope we score some more deliveries. I need to upgrade soon. I've been stuck as an FO for two years now...

Statement by Captain Wendy Morse, Chairman, United Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots Association, International and Captain Jay Pierce, Chairman, Continental Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots Association, International Regarding the Closing of the Merger Between United Airlines and Continental Airlines


Published: Friday, 1 Oct 2010 | 10:13 AM ET

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CHICAGO and HOUSTON, Oct 01, 2010 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- The following is a statement by Captain Wendy Morse United Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots Association, International and Captain Jay Pierce, Chairman, Continental Master Executive Council, Air Line Pilots Association, International: "Today, United Airlines and Continental Airlines officially closed on the merger that creates the world's largest airline. We congratulate the Company for this milestone in our airline's history and recognize the celebratory mood as the new CEO and other company
officials make the rounds to hubs across the system to mark the occasion.

"While the jovial mood of the new United management team is understandable, the pilots of the combined airline are not yet ready to celebrate. We will welcome the true closing of the merger, which will happen only after a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) with the pilots is achieved and the two pilot groups are combined. Then and only then will management be able to call this merger a success and realize the advertised synergies.

"It is too soon for celebration today over a corporate merger closing. We must remind the new United management that absent a pilot contract ratified by the pilots of both airlines, United will not achieve the touted synergies from this merger. Negotiations between the Joint Negotiating Committee and the Company continue and, to this point, are moving forward. But much work remains.

"No issue carries more weight than scope and the cessation of outsourcing. The pilots of Continental and United Airlines believe the time is right to correct the wrongs of the past with solutions that benefit our pilots. We believe it is our responsibility, to our pilots and to our passengers, to remind management that the business of an airline is to fly - not to outsource flying to the lowest bidder or to merely act as a ticket agent. When customers choose an airline, they rightly expect to receive service from that airline, with pilots employed and trained by that airline at the controls.

"Airline pilots throughout the world are taking notice of our stance and fight for job and scope protections. The industry is watching. The sooner management recognizes our determination and resilience regarding the protection of our jobs, the sooner they can enjoy the real fruits of this merger. It's time for a new beginning, a clean slate for United Airlines, for the pilots and for our passengers. We look forward to being able to join the new CEO and his management team in celebrating the new United Airlines. We will reserve our celebration for when the job is done and we have a JCBA in place that rewards the skill, training and responsibilities of our pilots and rightly returns flying to our airline. Until that time, management will be celebrating alone."

SOURCE United Master Executive Council of the Air Line Pilots Association; Continental Master Executive Council of the Air Line Pilots Association www.prnewswire.com Copyright (C) 2010 PR Newswire. All rights reserved -0- KEYWORD: Illinois

 

[Ty Webb]

Ah those losers will never have the balls to take back their flying. Dude hope we score some more deliveries. I need to upgrade soon. I've been stuck as an FO for two years now...

Duuuude, have a nice McCareer.

 

[clickclickboom]

i agree with everything they said.. push those 50 seat pieces of crap into a pile and light the match. you want to upgrade and make 65k for the rest of your life in a deadend regional career or do you want the majors to dump those 50 seaters grow internally and then offer you a true career position in 2013 when the retirements accelerate??? ill take the latter..

As a matter of fact when i was learning you needed 3000 hrs just to get into a decent caravan gig or an etry level charter gig.. You are entitled to nothing and to be honest should be grateful that you are sitting with all that turbine jet time pic or not..

When i had 1000hrs i thought i had died and gone to heaven when i got right seat in a king air 90

 

[mesaserf]

A drum roll please....

Welcome to the NEW "B" SCALE!

They will f*ck over the new guys to capture the flying. Be ready to languish for years at sub-par wages while hoping for a chance to fly the big iron. Ironic considering I have been doing the same here at Mesa, only to look forward to more of the same at some other airline.

 

[Hamfighter]

So let me get this straight...nimnutz is mocking Captain Morse's stance on scope?

I support her stand 100% - hopefully it will spread to Delta!

What's Southwest's scope clause? Oh yeah, N/A.

 

[doh]

Hopefully this is not grandstanding, but a rejuvenation of the career!

 

[Junkflyer]

Wow Einstein, you want mainline to shrink so there's no jobs opening up at the legacies. Well thought out.

 

[B727Driver]

Two whole years.....wow!! Poor you.

 

[mishap]

Ah those losers will never have the balls to take back their flying. Dude hope we score some more deliveries. I need to upgrade soon. I've been stuck as an FO for two years now...

I hope your dreams come true, then you can upgrade to captain on 70 seat jet, negotiate a contract that pays you enough to support your family and retire, and after that contract gets negotiated and ratified the mainline carrier you contract for can sign a contract with a different feeder carrier that makes half what you make, because you will be too expensive, you'll lose your contract with that mainline carrier, be out of work at 40, start over making half what your were making back in the right seat and hope for an upgrade within 2 to 3 years and start the cycle over again...and so goes the race to the bottom.

 

[nimtz]

I hope your dreams come true, then you can upgrade to captain on 70 seat jet, negotiate a contract that pays you enough to support your family and retire, and after that contract gets negotiated and ratified the mainline carrier you contract for can sign a contract with a different feeder carrier that makes half what you make, because you will be too expensive, you'll lose your contract with that mainline carrier, be out of work at 40, start over making half what your were making back in the right seat and hope for an upgrade within 2 to 3 years and start the cycle over again...and so goes the race to the bottom.

I guess sarcasm was misread. After hearing a few too many whines about not upgrading fast enough while Guppies were being parked, my sarcasm is maxed. Oh and don't forget a few Capts telling me that making 75K/year with weekends off is a good deal. There has been a loss of focus over the fact that regionals are mostly a stop enroute to final destination. Jay and Wendy could of come out talking general about the lack of a new deal today, but it's clear CAL-UAL prime concern is SCOPE...

 

[Mach92]

No scope no deal!

 

[jonjuan]

No scope no deal!

She said that scope is non negotiable. So, what that tells me is that they want to immediately do away with all outsourced regional flying, whether it's 50 seats or 100 seats. If not, then it is negotiable. Either there are regionals or there aren't. Are they willing to strike over any outsourcing or just some? Not really clear where she's coming from.

 

[shootr]

What's Southwest's scope clause? Oh yeah, N/A.

No RJ's (except intra-Hawaii and inter-island Carribean). Good enough answer?

 

[Dornier 335]

Let the battle begin ...

New narrowbody order from United remains questionable
By Lori Ranson


Now that United and Continental have officially closed their merger, the new management team plans to undertake an analysis of the combined carrier's fleet.

Previously United had indicated it would make a decision by year-end on replacing its aging Airbus narrowbodies. The carrier also operates 96 Boeing 757s according to Flightglobal's ACAS database.

Today during a discussion marking the close of the deal United chief executive Jeff Smisek remarked that the carrier's new management team "just got here", and prior to close did not have access to flight profitability statistics from a stand-alone United.

Declining to specify a timeframe for making a fleet decision Smisek states: "When we're ready to announce it, we'll announce it."

Smisek does conclude that Continental had previously been at a disadvantage in its ability to only operate 50-seat regional jets as dictated by the scope clause in its mainline pilot contract.

Highlighting the competitiveness of the two-class configuration of United's 70-seat regional jets Smisek says premium class on those aircraft is an important benefit for business travellers and "profitability going forward".

Smisek is not addressing a proposal from pilots at Continental and United to end the outsourcing of operating regional jets to the new carrier's regional partners.

But in a joint statement both pilot groups, represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, state: "No issue carries more weight than scope and the cessation of outsourcing. The pilots of Continental and United Airlines believe the time is right to correct the wrongs of the past with solutions that benefit our pilots."

Smisek, meanwhile, has stated a goal to reach joint collective bargaining agreements with all the combined work groups by the time Continental and United receive a single operating certificate from the FAA, which he estimates should take roughly a year.

Continental and United will continue to operate separately while the 12-18 month integration process continues. The new holding company for both airlines, United Continental Holdings, began trading on the New York Stock Exchange today under the UAL symbol.

 

[desolo]

SWA has one of the best scope in the industry, educate yourself.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

SWA has one of the best scope in the industry, educate yourself.

Yeah maybe you should look in the mirror and eduMacate yourself.....

Southwest only flies to 60+ cities. Everybody who has regionals doing some flying have hundreds more cities domestically in their schedule.

Apples to Oranges.....both fruit but WAY different.

 

[Ex737Driver]

..................Highlighting the competitiveness of the two-class configuration of United's 70-seat regional jets Smisek says premium class on those aircraft is an important benefit for business travellers and "profitability going forward".

I'm sure it's a very important benefit. I'm also sure that if we allowed a 160-seat two class aircraft be flown by a regional, that too would be an important benefit for business travellers and "profitability going forward". It allows the airline to fly aircraft with pilots that aren't being paid what they should be paid. Damn shame for mgmt. here. This is going to change one way or the other. How about we fly the United aircraft with United pilots at United pay rates and benefits? That's an important benefit for pilots if mgmt wants the "airline to go forward".

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

I truly hope you can end all outsourcing !

 

[filejw]

She said that scope is non negotiable. So, what that tells me is that they want to immediately do away with all outsourced regional flying, whether it's 50 seats or 100 seats. If not, then it is negotiable. Either there are regionals or there aren't. Are they willing to strike over any outsourcing or just some? Not really clear where she's coming from.

If you read the original statement she made a few days ago they purpose taking over the flying as the contracts expire.

 

[Hamfighter]

I just want to clarify...on my Southwest scope comment, I said N/A (not applicable) because I know that they don't outsource. It was a compliment. Sorry if y'all didn't understand.