Goodbye Horizon Jets...

[P-Dawg_QX]

So someone else gets it too^. Its not just me that thinks Horizon pay rates contributed to the loss of airframes. You are naive to think its not a factor-although not the only factor. A new contract for Horizon pilots needs to put them in a competitive state, not a "we are the only pilots in this industry that have the nuts to set the bar high."

I don't think anyone doubts that our pay rates had a lot to do with what's going on. But are you seriously saying that we should willingly drop our pay just because everyone else has? If everyone takes on that stance, the decline will never end. We'll eventually see widebodies being flown for Mesa B1900 rates! Yes it's important to be competitive, but it's also important (to me at least) not to become a bottom-feeding whore.

 

[tico]

I don't think anyone doubts that our pay rates had a lot to do with what's going on. But are you seriously saying that we should willingly drop our pay just because everyone else has? If everyone takes on that stance, the decline will never end. We'll eventually see widebodies being flown for Mesa B1900 rates! Yes it's important to be competitive, but it's also important (to me at least) not to become a bottom-feeding whore.

Pay-rates had nothing to do with it......A very expensive jet like the crj-700 cannot make money as a stand alone airliner.....Not enough seats to pay the costs that go with buying it, maintaining it and operating it....No one else does that.....The AAG will not lose money to build feed....So that is why they are being sold.....You could fly for free and they still would lose money.....The test for this will be Horizon coming to you guys in 6 months and saying that if you will be "market rate" then the AAG will keep some jets and there will be no furloughs.....If you agree they will come back to you in 6 more months and say that "market conditions "have deteriorated and they still have to sell them....But now your Q-400 rates are lower and they will stay that way.......Hold the line...

 

[Golden Falcon]

Any former Cascade folks out there enjoying this??

 

[ReverseSensing]

Any former Cascade folks out there enjoying this??

Enjoying what? The potential for QX pilots to lose their jobs. Massive disruption to people's lives. Are you serious? Are you on meds?

 

[ReverseSensing]

Pay-rates had nothing to do with it.............Hold the line...

Exactly. We're poised to operate a fleet of the largest, most cost-efficient aircraft ever operated by QX. No need to panic. No need to take concessions.

I've heard tell of an airline that pays and treats their folks well and is still consistently profitable. It apparently can be done. We just need the leadership to pull it off.

 

[regionaltard]

I've heard tell of an airline that pays and treats their folks well and is still consistently profitable. It apparently can be done. We just need the leadership to pull it off.

If you're talking about your management having a "come to Herb" moment, don't hold your breath. I can guarantee that they believe that whatever middling success your company has achieved is owed to them conducting business as usual.

 

[ReverseSensing]

If you're talking about your management having a "come to Herb" moment, don't hold your breath. I can guarantee that they believe that whatever middling success your company has achieved is owed to them conducting business as usual.

When the rip current looks like it's going to pull you under, what else can you do (besides kicking and flailing) but hold your breath?

I spend about $100/4-day trip on food/beer (decadent, I know). By AAG logic, if I'd only quit coming to work, I'd save $100/week. That must be something they teach at business college.

 

[regionaltard]

When the rip current looks like it's going to pull you under, what else can you do (besides kicking and flailing) but hold your breath?

Sounds like a good time to get in touch with your inner shark...

 

[QCappy]

I spend about $100/4-day trip on food/beer

That's It? Wasn't that one night's outtake when we flew together? I think the Department of Homeland Security is looking for a couple of guys to represent them well!:laugh:

 

[ReverseSensing]

Sounds like a good time to get in touch with your inner shark...

http://www.videospider.tv/Videos/Detail/1415496980.aspx

"I'm only a dolphin, ma'am."

 

[ReverseSensing]

That's It?

Been economizing a bit due to a new project. Estimate completion in about 22 years...about the time turboprops come back in vogue...again.