Goodbye Horizon Jets...

[ReverseSensing]

Gawd...some of you people have fabulous imaginations and very little grasp of the facts (with a few exceptions in this thread).

I would suggest listening to today's conference call and reading the 8K. If you can't figure out how to find them, why don't you just give it a break.

The EXCO responsible for this? What a crock. I don't even know where to start. Heaven forbid we have an EXCO that knows a sucker's deal when they see one.

If AAG was so hot on the idea of contracting RJ flying out to a third party, why didn't they mention it at all during the conference call? Why did they actually suggest that it wasn't the answer.

The worse news here isn't that we're getting rid of the RJs. The worse news is that we're a 65 aircraft airline today and in two year's time, we'll be a 48 (+/- a couple) aircraft airline.

You morons that think that has anything to do with our payrates, contract, or the actions of our EXCO really ought to get on the phone and schedule your much-needed frontal lobotomies.

 

[JetSpeed219]

^ Finally someone who gets it, I'm going to go ahead and be a little optimistic and say I think we will end up with a few more than 48 aircraft. I'm hoping that 48 number is a worst case scenario.

 

[turbodriver]

Whew....

I don't' know about the rest of you, but I'm glad I bailed for AS last year..........

Best decision of my career.

 

[unwashed]

I'm glad I bailed out of the ERROR group last year. I think the hits are just going to keep on comin for Bill ERROR (and his whipping boy Jeffy) and the ERROR Group.

 

[siucavflight]

You need to set the bar high in ways such that captains aren't making 150k+ for flying 70 seats. That will just price you right out of the competition, which it did. There's nothing wrong with making good money in this industry but that is ridiculous for 70 seats. To think to yourself that management of a publicly held company wouldn't do anything to combat that is even more ignorant.

Are you serious, so they set the bar too high for you?? What type of flying do you do? It is attitudes like yours that screw the rest of us.

 

[QCappy]

I don't' know about the rest of you, but I'm glad I bailed for AS last year..........

Best decision of my career.

I second that motion

 

[tico]

I second that motion

So both of you had the seniority to hang on through the upcoming Horizon furloughs. I promise you that you do not have the seniority to hang on through the upcoming Alaska furloughs............How will you take your crow? With a little butter and garlic

 

[mach none]

Gawd...some of you people have fabulous imaginations and very little grasp of the facts (with a few exceptions in this thread).

I would suggest listening to today's conference call and reading the 8K. If you can't figure out how to find them, why don't you just give it a break.

The EXCO responsible for this? What a crock. I don't even know where to start. Heaven forbid we have an EXCO that knows a sucker's deal when they see one.

If AAG was so hot on the idea of contracting RJ flying out to a third party, why didn't they mention it at all during the conference call? Why did they actually suggest that it wasn't the answer.

The worse news here isn't that we're getting rid of the RJs. The worse news is that we're a 65 aircraft airline today and in two year's time, we'll be a 48 (+/- a couple) aircraft airline.

You morons that think that has anything to do with our payrates, contract, or the actions of our EXCO really ought to get on the phone and schedule your much-needed frontal lobotomies.

They have mentioned it, but the conference call was not the proper venue.

 

[F/O]

I don't' know about the rest of you, but I'm glad I bailed for AS last year..........

Best decision of my career.

Uhhhhh.....would that even be a choice? Kinda comes down to if you get a job offer at AS or not, doesn't it??

 

[Capi_Cafre']

I would suggest listening to today's conference call...

I wouldn't assume that all of the pertinent information was disclosed in that forum. It's not like they're gonna say something like "We believe that the threat of bringing in a third party to perform flying that overlaps that done by both of our wholly owned airlines will give us considerable leverage to lower pilot costs at both units which should show up as a saving of blah blah blah......"

I think that the most likely scenario is that the AAG is being configured for some sort of consolidation-that would be a scenario where a bunch of RJ pilots not working for peanuts might be an obstacle to getting a deal done.

 

[QCappy]

So both of you had the seniority to hang on through the upcoming Horizon furloughs. I promise you that you do not have the seniority to hang on through the upcoming Alaska furloughs............How will you take your crow? With a little butter and garlic

Really? Tell me something I don't know. Are you still at Alaska? I would have thought a bright guy like yourself would have left by now.

I prefer my crow with a large glass of beer.:beer:

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Supposedly they are going to try and finish the pilot contract within the next 6 months or so with some amazing new seminar.

...don't forget we're getting efb's too!!

 

[Capt. Qdoba]

...don't forget we're getting efb's too!!

Too funny!

 

[JetSpeed219]

^ Best user name ever

 

[tico]

Really? Tell me something I don't know. Are you still at Alaska? I would have thought a bright guy like yourself would have left by now.

I prefer my crow with a large glass of beer.:beer:

Ahh the tool comes out of the box. Just trying to slap you for your $hitty comments to your former Horizon bretheren. The dip$hit$ that we work for just dropped a grenade in their crew room and instead of helping them put the pin back in you chucked it out the window.......

 

[lowtimedriver]

Getting rid of the jets is just a precursor to the acquisition of Alaska by SWA. Horizon will be sold as part of the transaction. SWAPA will possibly allow the Q400 feed to continue (or not).

bull********************....

 

[QCappy]

Ahh the tool comes out of the box. Just trying to slap you for your $hitty comments to your former Horizon bretheren. The dip$hit$ that we work for just dropped a grenade in their crew room and instead of helping them put the pin back in you chucked it out the window.......

What comments? That I'm glad I'm not there. Seems reasonable to me. I'm sure a lot of them wish they weren't there either. It wasn't directed to them, just a statement.

For all my former Horizon bretheren, especially those on this board that know me, I'm sorry if my comments offended you as much as they did tico. I didn't mean it. All those beers we drank those many years were not just a set up so I could make fun of you when our collective management took a giant dump on you.

In all seriousness, I really do feel for the Horizon guys and hope those 20 options on the Qs are taken so that no one has to fear for their job.

 

[onewithwings]

None-the-less Horizon still has a good product and a strong passenger base. Granted they will be in the market for more mechanics once they become an all Q400 fleet. Reliability continues to be a factor.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I wouldn't assume that all of the pertinent information was disclosed in that forum. It's not like they're gonna say something like "We believe that the threat of bringing in a third party to perform flying that overlaps that done by both of our wholly owned airlines will give us considerable leverage to lower pilot costs at both units which should show up as a saving of blah blah blah......"

I think that the most likely scenario is that the AAG is being configured for some sort of consolidation-that would be a scenario where a bunch of RJ pilots not working for peanuts might be an obstacle to getting a deal done.

If I accept your drift, then QX pilots are in more trouble than we think. For example, our Q400 CA rates, let alone our 70-seat RJ rates, are already higher than jetBlue and USAirways Embraer 190 rates.

Nothing would surprise me much right now, but I think it's almost as likely that AS pilots would invite the 190 on their property for less than QX's current RJ and Q400 rates. Why not? If it's growth and it's going to be the junior aircraft, why wouldn't AS pilots take it at jetBlue or Airways rates?

What's lost in all this is why AAG doesn't just merge their two airlines. The overhead squandered on running two airlines under one marketing scheme is shameful. I'm surprised the board lets management get away with it.

 

[rudder]

What's lost in all this is why AAG doesn't just merge their two airlines. The overhead squandered on running two airlines under one marketing scheme is shameful. I'm surprised the board lets management get away with it.

Because whether people recognize it or not there is a 'for sale' sign hanging over every airline, including AS. The acquiring airline will merge operations/staff with AS, not QX. Perhaps there is a Skywest uniform in the future for QX pilots........