Good News PSA FO's

[nethan]

I apologize for the use of name, I was just very excited and typed faster than I could think, I have had the unfortunate pleasure of flying with M.K. many times and he makes me want to jump off a bridge

I think you are still typing faster then you are thinking. Unless they suspended somebody else too.

 

[A-V-8]

We have all flown with people like that. It isn't any fun. I have however found great personal satisfaction in doing things excessively standard around those folks. It usually gets under their skin. Only once did I use this line. "Well the CFM says that we need to do it this way so if you need me to do it your way you will need to get the Chief to send you an e-mail authorizing me to do it that way when I fly with you." Dead silence for 2.5 hours. Then mostly silent for the rest of the trip.

Have Fun. Have a backbone to though and you will have more fun than ever because the last thing that captains like that want is for someone to stand up to them.

 

[dollacrackho]

can we get accurate initials please and why said trouser stain was suspended.

 

[Clipper_Aurora]

OK OK I'm an idiot >>>>M.F.<<<< J4J
still trying to find out why he got suspended

 

[dc8flyer]

rumor has it a certain person is suspended! For those of you that have flown with this person knows what I'm talking about!

Well bus b_y, were is your update?

Allow me to provide the history about “Clipper” and our three trips we have shared (I wouldn’t say that was numerous as Clipper suggests but his account of reality seems to have its flaws.

Our first trip was during Easter, about three years ago. I had no indication of any problems until I was saying goodbye to the passengers as they left the aircraft. Of the 70 passengers, I’d say a good 40 made comments about the P/A made by the crew and I was asked by the passengers if I had made the announcements. I had no idea what they were referring to so I asked one of the F/A what was going on. Seems both the F/A were upset with what Clipper had said as well.

You see, clipper thinks he is a comedian. Off the subject for a second, but Clipper likes to get on the P/A and make jokes or comments hoping to get something back from the passengers. A few F/A have told me they don’t like his using their F/A station for his stand up but don’t feel comfortable telling him to stop. But back to our angry passengers after just one leg with Clipper.

Seems Clipper tried his comedy at the expense of both our F/A’s. Neither of which were amused. You see as we approached PWM, Clipper's P/A included telling the passengers how we had planned an Easter egg hunt but our fat F/A's ate all the chocolate and eggs. Apparently this comic rant went on for a couple of minutes and upset most of the passengers, not to mention the F/A’s.

My first clue anything was wrong was when I was saying goodbye to our passengers and I was told that who ever was making those announcements should be fired. I had no clue what was going on as I couldn’t imaging someone making such an inane announcement. I then asked the F/A about it and was told what had happened. Neither F/A was amused in the least. I then informed Clipper that the P/A’s were to remain professional and limited to the normal information only.

Now, as we were leaving the aircraft, (terminating flight) Clipper made no attempt to do his post flight walk around. I called out to him if he would like me to do the walk around, expecting a mature individual to say, “Oh, I’ll get it”, but instead Clipper said, “yeah, go ahead” as he walked into the terminal. No problem, I did the walk around and never said a word.

Our second flight there was only one issue as well. We had a FAA inspector doing a line observation in the jump seat. It was Clippers leg and as we were climbing out Clipper pulls out a USA Today newspaper and throws it across the instrument panel, blocking all of his view of the instruments. I could see the FAA inspectors face in the EICAS glass looking back and forth at me then Clipper expecting someone to correct the problem. Imagine my total disbelief as I was put in this position by Clipper. So I looked over at my F/O and asked him what he was doing. He calmly said. “I thought I’d check out the headlines.” I then asked him if he thought that was appropriate material to be looking at in the cockpit. Clipper looked at me as if I was the idiot and said, “Are you suggesting I put the newspaper away?” I of course responded yes.

Now prior to this departure, I had listened to Clipper rant about how Continental had turned him down after his interview. When he found out a fellow co-pilot had gotten hired he was infuriated. He called this fellow pilot a drunk with a drug history and how stupid Continental was for hiring this other guy and not him. After several minutes of his rant he gave up and went back to work.

Once in PWM the FAA looked at me and said good job. He then turned to Clipper and said, "I wish you good luck with your job in the future." Now Clipper took this as a compliment but anyone with half a brain knew it was something of a warning. I guarantee you; to this day Clipper is clueless about this issue.

Some time later I mentioned these two events to a CP during a casual conversation. The CP told me that he had received a number of complaints about Clipper and his announcements but the CP was more upset about the newspaper event. It was at this time a check airman came in and the CP on his own reported Clipper to him. The check airman said he had received reports about Clipper as well and said he would schedule a line check on him. Other than that, I have no other knowledge of what transpired with Clipper and any line check. He flies the aircraft fine.

Our third and final flight together was completely uneventful. Not much was said but I noticed a more professional demeanor displayed by Clipper. I guess he was talked to but I suspect he finds me at fault for some reason.

Now, as far as this “suspension” goes, about four F/O’s filed reports to management that I was difficult to fly with and made them feel uncomfortable in the cockpit. They went so far to say I made the cockpit unsafe. So we have some children that have a personal dislike of someone and instead of addressing their concerns with pro standards (because they had nothing to complain about) file false reports with the company. Of course I was taken off line with pay until they could get a handle on what was going on. Thanks for the vacation!

It took about five minutes, and letters from about 10 other supporting F/O’s to convince the company that there was absolutely nothing going on other than my trying to present a professional experience to our customers.

So I ask you, take a look at how Clipper presented himself with the creation of this thread and the history of why he thinks I’m the terrible one. If any of you have kids you know what I’m talking about.

Clipper, I think you have a tremendous amount of potential but you do have a lot of growing up to do. Hopefully your new position as captain will help with this process and in the mean time as you learn, you can avoid all trouble.

My advice to you is to go by the book and ensure your crew does the same. It doesn’t matter what anyone thinks of you for making them do their job correctly and professionally, because when the unexpected happens, you have compliance on your side.

Think about it, and good luck to you.

 

[Volasl]

I remember being an FO and dealing with Captains being a bit unusual. In all honesty,these were some of the best stories i have collected over my career.
One lesson i did learn after upgrading is that not all unprofessional types sit in the left seat only.

Learn a lesson from your bad experiences and dont be that individual. Being a professional is not announcing to the world someone's work suspension.

 

[nethan]

I've never flown with the guy so I don't know. And stories are just stories. However, he certainly has made a splash on the back of the compass correction cards.

 

[dc8flyer]

I've never flown with the guy so I don't know. And stories are just stories. However, he certainly has made a splash on the back of the compass correction cards.

And don't forget the bathroom walls.

Again, just another example of the maturity (lack thereof) of some individuals that have issues with their captains (and most likely anyone in authority) when they have to be reeled in due to their own poor behavior.

I could tell you about the other f/o that has gone after me for two years because I had to remind him about not drinking within 12 hours as we sat in a public restuarant next to our hotel.

This sorry individual has amitted to being arrested and court ordered into anger management class for a bar fight in which he claimed to have broken someones jaw. I have a written statements from another captain for which this F/O seemed to be bragging about his bar incident so it isn't just me telling the story.

This individual was extremely upset when I told him that once he was done drinking I would call scheduling to let them know that 12 hours from then we could depart. In fact pro standards talked to him three times and told him to stop his inappropriate behavior towards me.

The last straw was when a female f/o told me this sorry individual was going around telling crew members I had some sexual harassment charge filed against me at another company. Completely false but just another example of the childishness of certain f/o's.

I let these children run wild for the past two years and have tolerate those weak minded individuals that chose to believe every word from these sorry individuals mouths. But since I am soon to depart, I just wanted to get the other side out.

The lesson here is if someone, anyone, tells you garbage in order to get you to harass or dislike another individual, don't fall for it. (reminds me of third grade) Tell them to be a man and address the issue with the other person and that you aren't interested in gossip.

I recall one f/o that couldn't hand fly the aircraft to save his life. I suggested he hand fly for a while to get comfortable with the airplane. He didn't want to and suggested again it would help him out. He said no again and i engaged the autopilot. Two days later I'm getting a call from a CP asking me why I was forcing this guy to hand fly. How pathetic these little people are..... Unfortunately his skills were so weak that his next sim resulted in his termination.

But no doubt, I'm the idiot for sincerely wanting to help.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

What the hell is it you all do to attract so much drama?!

Geez...

 

[Grey Ghost]

is she a 50 year old blonde?

 

[ex j-41]

I kinda like flying with M.K.
At least he helps program the FMS. My arm is way too short.

 

[wanabe_fo]

I have never flown with you dc8flyer, but so many people have said o.. dont fly with him if you can help it. Not just a few of the "sorry " people as you describe them.

I think a quote from your last statement kinda sums it up though "How pathetic these little people are".

But since I have not flown with you I will not judge...

However as for Clipper (I think I flew with him this last weekend), is a good captain and a pleasure to share a flight deck with. His comedy act breaks the ice with the pax a little. I actually had not one but two pax tell me on the way out he should get into radio if his current flying thing does not work out.

I think most pax enjoy the front end crew being more than a stiff sitting up front. There is a reason people come back and fly southwest and it is not always their 59$ fares. The crews on their airplanes (both front and back) make the experience of traveling an enjoyable one and those nervous flyers realize that there is a person not a machine up front taking them to see their loved ones or their next business meeting.

 

[dc8flyer]

I have never flown with you dc8flyer, but so many people have said o.. dont fly with him if you can help it. Not just a few of the "sorry " people as you describe them.

I think a quote from your last statement kinda sums it up though "How pathetic these little people are".

But since I have not flown with you I will not judge...

However as for Clipper (I think I flew with him this last weekend), is a good captain and a pleasure to share a flight deck with. His comedy act breaks the ice with the pax a little. I actually had not one but two pax tell me on the way out he should get into radio if his current flying thing does not work out.

I think most pax enjoy the front end crew being more than a stiff sitting up front. There is a reason people come back and fly southwest and it is not always their 59$ fares. The crews on their airplanes (both front and back) make the experience of traveling an enjoyable one and those nervous flyers realize that there is a person not a machine up front taking them to see their loved ones or their next business meeting.

These pathetic little people are just what they are, pathetic due to their own behavior.

Don't be one of them.

Yes, I have heard from others that were approached by these pathetic individuals to "beware of me" and later told me after the flight they don't know what these pathetic little people were talking about.

My description of their behavior is not the problem even though you ignore their behavior that prompted the characterization. That is unfortunate.

I suppose your overlooking their false reports and spreading of false sexual harassment charges as Ok because Clipper was funny in the cockpit. I find that interesting but typical of someone that seems to have judge another without ever having flown with them.

Are you starting to see the patern established by these pathetic little people and their affect on weak minds?

 

[mamba20]

dc8flyer,

I flew with you on a couple of trips, one of them being my last trip before departing for CAL. I have to say that the way you run the flight deck is with the upmost level of saftey and professionalism in mind. Its a shame that your being punished for trying to keep some level of respect to our profession but I do hope you enjoy the time off. By the way, both times we flew togeather I enjoyed it!

 

[dc8flyer]

dc8flyer,

I flew with you on a couple of trips, one of them being my last trip before departing for CAL. I have to say that the way you run the flight deck is with the upmost level of saftey and professionalism in mind. Its a shame that your being punished for trying to keep some level of respect to our profession but I do hope you enjoy the time off. By the way, both times we flew togeather I enjoyed it!

Thanks!

The suspension was earlier this year thanks to a few pathetic children that filed BS claims simply because they couldn't stand having to put newspapers away, do their walk arounds, etc... I ensure the job is done instead of ignoring it just to "get along". In otherwords if I wasn't given a reason to say anything, there would never be an issue. Inany case it was paid and I got to play for a week.

But as we see, it is more important to be a stand up comedian, drink beer outside legal limits, than be a professional or project a professional image.

Hope all is well with you.