Gojet getting 50 seaters!

[Salukipilot4590]

TSA is not flying out of MIA, that got killed before they even started it.

Wait what? I've been in and out of MIA two months before the furlough...

 

[jws717]

Can a moderator delete this thread or tittle it, something like Goat Pets, not getting 50 seaters.

 

[rjacobs]

Wait what? I've been in and out of MIA two months before the furlough...

I could have sworn my buddy thats still over there told me it got killed and they never really got going down there.

 

[Freight Dog]

No....the industry would not be a better place with this attitude. Every SCAB that has ever disgraced the earth with their presence has used Old Man's moniker of "hard choices in a hard time." Maybe those words whispered over and over in the mind of SCAB help them sleep at night but they will never wash the stain and stench of a SCAB from our cockpits.

Until pilots can divorce themselves from the rampant professional desperation that plagues our ranks this profession will never move forward. Its utterly stunning to me that many pilots cannot seem recoup from a job loss by accepting employment outside of a cockpit for a short period of time until the job market is better. I know for a fact that a pilot is capable of doing things in the job market other than flying airplanes. Why do pilots insist on whoring themselves out to some of the worst flying jobs around without batting an eyelash?

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

 

[I fLy pLaNeS]

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

Well said.

 

[nwa_contrails]

No, I do not work for GoJet.

When is your class date?

 

[Freight Dog]

I should append... neither have I applied there.

 

[mesaserf]

there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet


That is incorrect, I remember some time ago a blurb on the ALPA web site urging pilots not to apply to Go Jets.

I do have a question, if in the near future we do begin to use the Aloha name would you be willing to accept a position at Mesa? That is if my union would pursue preferential hiring of former Aloha pilots.

Of course that is assuming we still exist a year from now.

Good luck to us all...

 

[Freight Dog]

I called and SPECIFICALLY asked ALPA National if there's a recruitment ban in place for GoJet a'la Cathay Pacific a few years back, and they said no. In fact, our furloughed ALPA resources listed GoJet as one of the places hiring.

As far as your other question is concerned, would I apply to Mesa if you took the name 'Aloha' in Hawaii and you had "preferential hiring of former Aloha pilots.' I probably wouldn't simply because I can't afford to work for Mesa. I made equivalent to your 16th year CRJ-900 captain as an FO at Aloha, and we had much better work rules and retirement than Mesa. But hey, different strokes for different folks... some might be willing, but I simply can't afford it.

 

[Dart]

Awesome! Well said....

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

 

[Evansaero]

you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.quote]


Silver Platter... Now thats funny.

 

[DoinTime]

OK, so let me get this straight:

I am an unemployed former Aloha pilot. There is and was no strike at TSA. I also have a tough time finding any operators/airlines out there that are currently hiring. Now unlike my UAL/AA/CO counterparts who have an airline to return to, I don't. My currency is running out, and we all know that most places want you to be current and have some recency of experience as part of their minimum requirements. I also did my regional time banging away in turboprops before moving onto Boeings. I had a career job, and now I got set back literally 8 years.

Now let's see... there's no ALPA job action against GoJet, there's no ALPA recruitment ban against GoJet, what do you have to tell me that I shouldn't feed my family? Should I give up 13 years of paying dues all for a regional squabble over a minimum wage job?

I tell you what... if you happily employed Pinnacle pilots, Republic pilots, ASA pilots, Delta pilots, United pilots, Airtran pilots, Southwest pilots are so adamant about protecting this profession against the GoScum and the like, then start an adopt-a-furloughee program and take assessments to pay our BASIC living expenses after our unemployment benefits run out. You do that, and then you'll have a leg to stand on. But until you do... you all look like a bunch of whining crybabies who are used to getting served everything on a silver platter.

No, I do not work for GoJet.

Sadly, you have been recipient of the kind of damage pilots who are willing to work for next to nothing can do to this industry yet you still don't understand that they only way to shut pilot whorehouses like GoJet down is to cut off their supply of pilots. Why would anyone consider paying you more when they know you will work for less? With all of the support you are getting from other posters on here its no wonder this profession is circling the drain.

Getting back into the industry is tough without currency but its been done countless times over by pilots with a lot harder luck than yours. If things keep up you won't have a profession to come back to.

 

[flyinag02]

pilots who are willing to work for next to nothing

Looking at the pilot pay scales on APC it looks to me like GJ pay is inline with the rest of the industry. It is not what I would call next to nothing.

 

[Freight Dog]

Sadly, you have been recipient of the kind of damage pilots who are willing to work for next to nothing can do to this industry yet you still don't understand that they only way to shut pilot whorehouses like GoJet down is to cut off their supply of pilots. Why would anyone consider paying you more when they know you will work for less? With all of the support you are getting from other posters on here its no wonder this profession is circling the drain.

Getting back into the industry is tough without currency but its been done countless times over by pilots with a lot harder luck than yours. If things keep up you won't have a profession to come back to.

You are correct in theory. In practice, we would have to shut off pilot whorehouses like Mesa, Pinnacle, TSA, Skywest, Republic, ExpressJet, ASA, Comair, Colgan, Eagle, PSA, Mesaba, Compass, etc. in addition to GoJet to accomplish what you're trying to accomplish.

Really... what is the difference between a new hire GoJet pilot and a new hire Pinnacle pilot, and I'm talking right now, December 2008, not 2005?

You might not know because you're entrenched in the left seat making at least a reasonably okay living. The fact that you're likely flying routes that mainline did for a fraction of the pay is the discussion I won't get into right now.

But I can tell you from my perspective as the guy who's drawing unemployment who had a true career position.

Coming from the right seat of a Boeing working for a 62 year old airline, as I mentioned in an above post, I was making the equivalent of your (Pinnacle, I presume) 15 year CRJ900 captain pay, as an FO. Now, that's gone. Right now, I have to wonder... do I start over at one of the whorehouses you mentioned above for literally less than my unemployment check, go overseas, quit aviation although sadly even non-flying jobs are scarce these days, or hey, possibly apply with and accept job with an outfit like GoJet. See, to me, GoJet is an airline that is growing and taking delivery of airplanes and hiring guys with experience into left seat (read: higher than unemployment check). Sounds too good to be true? Well, I dunno... maybe. Personally, I hold myself to a higher standard than to cross picket lines, but let's face it... when my ALPA Furlough Resources state that GoJet is one of the airlines hiring, and then I see "wh0res" and I'm borrowing your expression here, from other carriers (non-GoJet) telling me I shouldn't go there, whom do I believe? Someone "whore" from a different "whorehouse" vs. my union telling me who's hiring?

I am very familiar with GoJet's existence, how it came about, the purpose of it, etc. I am also very familiar with ALPA's response pre-NMB ruling and also post-NMB ruling. In addition, I am also VERY familiar with how regional carriers or "pilot whorehouses" do their business and bid on flying, and how they get the flying.

So basically, to answer the initial question on the difference of December 2008 Pinnacle new hire and December 2008 GoJet new hire: upgrade time, and time spent drawing less than unemployment. If you were to ask me the same question in 2005 before NMB ruling, and during ALPA's legal challenge to GoJet's existence, I'd fully agree with you. ALPA - through its inaction, lack of appeal of the ruling, lack of instituting a recruitment ban against GoJet, and actually listing GoJet as one of the airlines hiring in ALPA Furlough Resources basically tells me that there is nothing wrong with seeking employment at GoJet. Now, on flightinfo, it's a different story - HoJet scabs! Mesa sucks! you know the routine.

In reality, for those of us who lost our career positions, the last place we'd ever want to apply would be any regional, GoJet or Skywest or Pinnacle. We were happily flying Boeings making a good living. But now that those jobs have been taken away from us, we need to feed our families. It's always easier to grandstand when you have a job, and that's what I take this GoJet argument of yours to be - grandstanding.

Want to end pilot whorehouses? Every regional pilot needs to walk off their job. But that's not happening, nor is it realistic. Either we all do it.... or we go back to name calling on FI.

 

[thinairupthere]

As a former TSA pilot who was there from the beginning of this GoJet fiasco, who voted "no", and who was pissed off and thought that "they" were taking "our" jobs. I have to comment on Freight Dog's posts.

First, I am sorry about your loss of job.

2nd, Thank you. Your posts are probably one of the more thought out and better written on this website.

3rd, I'm starting to agree with you. The pilots of everywhere else i.e. regionals, need to stop bickering with eachother and fight management. GoJet is wrong, but, so are all the regionals. The bar keeps getting lower and lower with each company outthere. I tell everyone I meet when they ask why I left "airline flying" Because, we are slaves, paid pennies, get shat on by pax, mang, and each other with out even a hint of a reacharound.
This is a hard, long road we chose to travel, and everyone has no one to blame except ourselves for taking the jobs in these crummy places. I wish everyone luck in thier careers. I know how hard it is to get and keep a great job. But, everyone who works in the "regional" world is and has contributed to lowering the bar in aviation.
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