Go to ATI or stay at the regionals?

[bluefin]

Yes. Put family first! you will never regret it! take this from someone with experience from the dark side.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Hi np@jb is that you?

 

[Caveman]

Tough call. Normally I recommend guys leave the regionals as fast as they can. No offense to the ATI guys, but I don't know many folks that have had good long term experiences with second/third tier cargo carriers. I know it works out for some, but most everybody else ends up with multiple furloughs and lots of years on the panel and/or in the right seat.

Unless I misread you it seems that until you stagnated as an FO you were generally happy at CMR. If that's the case I'd probably wait it out if I were you. Chances are you'll upgrade at CMR years before you would at ATI.

Good luck.

 

[Captzaahlie]

I totally understand the family thing being a Dad with a 3 & 6 yr old and of course I needed to take the first job that came about being on furlough.... but I see some real cool experiences being learned here @ ATI (international stuff) that will look good on my resume next furlough. An awesome group of aviators that I've met so far too! Not knocking the rj regional world but that kind of line flying is done by a lot of pilots. It's sort of day in day out...... Hr Depts (as wacky as they are) pick up on key words like "heavy international" experience. Just my 2 cents worth but go with your gut feeling we all have our own needs. The last thing I needed was more 121 PIC experience. (meaning we all have our own needs).

 

[siouxicide]

Can a non military pilot just get a reserve unit pilot position like that, or are we talking non pilot duties?

Yes, sort of. As a civ you can apply, interview, and go off to school on whatever airframe the unit flies(fighter or heavy). Basic stuff needed: AFOQT+BAT=PCSM, recommendations, <33 trips around the sun(so it looks now), eyesight used to be 20/70 distant uncorrected, 20/20 near but I'm sure that's changed too. It was very competitive when times were good so I'd imagine it's that much harder now. But hey, someone has to win right?

But if your family can't hack 2 week trips, they won't do well with deployments either.

 

[Captzaahlie]

let me know if you need help resetting those c/b's in your avtar siouxicide.
I'm here for ya!

 

[N813CA]

Catpzaahlie

Thanks for the insight. Never know what is best until you do the wrong thing.

 

[Captzaahlie]

Catpzaahlie

Thanks for the insight. Never know what is best until you do the wrong thing.

You are welcome and also very right, those "hindsight/20,20 ", "nothing ventured/gained" & "better safe/sorry" rules all apply.

Merry Christmas to ya and I hope the best decision winds up under your families tree! ​

 

[dc8b75v8r]

try looking off shore, also, use the placement/contacting companies companies. you and your young family might get the int'l experience together and gain the pic time as well.

 

[reepicheep]

Putting the family first might mean some short-term pain - in my case bypassing an upgrade pre-911 "to spend more time with my family" meant the upgrade opp. went away and never came back. Had I bit the bullet and taken the upgrade I would have 1000+ PIC jet and a lot more choices than I have now.

 

[filejw]

Upgrading your qualifications could be said to be family oriented too.

 

[N813CA]

Does going to ATI and getting heavy international, but no turbine PIC count as upgrading? I am just asking. I don't know what means more.

 

[LAZYB]

Bitch slap....

Twice I've had ATI interview offers and sumthin better has come along.

This time I need it.

Probably too late... :bawling:

 

[b707guy]

Does going to ATI and getting heavy international, but no turbine PIC count as upgrading? I am just asking. I don't know what means more.

Who knows what means more these days? All else being equal, I'd say having a bunch of PIC would be more important. The question is, important to who? You've already said it - UPS isn't hiring any time soon. I've heard the opposite, in fact, unfortunately. So where can you go otherwise that would care about your PIC vs heavy int'l? Any time in the near future? Right now, you have neither. Go back to page 3 of this thread. A few of the last posts on that page say a lot. Since you have a great deal of time and experience, market that fact, not that you have zero PIC turbine. Also, it doesn't sound like you have much confidence in your near-term opportunities to upgrade at CMR (or even keeping your job for now...), so your ability to get any turbine PIC is pretty much zilch, regardless of whether you stay or go, right? With that, some hvy int'l time might be, if nothing else, more fun in the meantime, and it may open other doors. And depending on where you live, you may find yourself home more than you think, just to put some perspective on the family thing.

Problem is, you're in competition with a lot of folk who do have tons of PIC, heavy, and int'l, and don't have a job right now. How bad you want it may be the deal clincher OR breaker in the interview when the board gets together in who to pick and who to toss aside.

 

[FastHap]

Probably too late... :bawling:

Problem is, you're in competition with a lot of folk who do have tons of PIC, heavy, and int'l, and don't have a job right now. How bad you want it may be the deal clincher OR breaker in the interview when the board gets together in who to pick and who to toss aside.

As of January 1st, 2010, the ATI and CCI hiring pools are going to get very crowded. All of the new swimmers will have a higher priority than the current.

 

[l8fr82hub]

Hey Hap, I thought your CBA, and therefore preferential hiring, is contingent upon the signing of a new commercial agreement between ABX Air and DHL? At least that's what the press release said. Has an agreement been reached?

 

[FastHap]

Has an agreement been reached?

Of sorts.

 

[FastHap]

Just to clarify so I don't get in legal trouble, as of the time of this post, DHL and ABX Air have NOT to the best of my knowledge signed a new commercial agreement.

However, it appears that at least some of our "new" CBA will be implemented as of January 1st, 2010.

 

[Jurasicpilot]

ATI hiring again? This, the company that has a perfect hire/furlough record?

I dont get it. Everytime ATI hires six to nine months later some one is on here bitching about being furloughed from there. Its as sure as sunrise in the morning, just do a search on here or other sites.

WOULD NEVER leave a reliable pay check to go there.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Oh, I don't know about that . I got about 14 months out of the place before I moved on.....


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