Go Jet

[Casper]

bizzum,

I have but one question HOW OLD ARE YOU ?

 

[A350]

OK, I will bite.....

What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?

You regional guys need to realize that most of you that have been hired in the past 4 years have a job because you work for less than your mainline counterparts. It is a classic pot meet kettle scenario.

Back to lurking and laughing at the riduculous arguements being made here.

A350

 

[Syncit]

After all this discusion, I still don't believe Casper got a call for a captain position without ever sending in a resume. Sounds like a ghost call to me.

 

[FlyHIToo]

This might just take the cake for the stupidest post yet on this web board....

I think we are all stupider for having read it....

With kids like this now in our cockpits... I don't think it should be called a profession, because obviously they are not professionals, JUST CRYBABIES!

FLAMEBAIT FROM THE BEGINING.... FLAMEBAIT TILL THE END...

 

[redbook]

This might just take the cake for the stupidest post yet on this web board....

I think we are all stupider for having read it....

With kids like this now in our cockpits... I don't think it should be called a profession, because obviously they are not professionals, JUST CRYBABIES!

FLAMEBAIT FROM THE BEGINING.... FLAMEBAIT TILL THE END...

"professionals" don't join alter egos.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Quote from A350-What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?


OK since it's flamebait anyway- Imagine your flying your pretty 737 around. Now imagine your boss wants 75's but he doesn't want to pay you what your asking to drive it. So your OWN boss starts another airline and hires me (or someone underneath you on your own seniority list) to come fly 75's at a rate below what you were asking for. You would be angry-don't tell me you wouldn't.

You would then start calling me a SCAB, even though you "choose" to keep your 2.5% and therefore waive all rights to unions although in this case you find the term suitable to YOUR needs.

Now I shall sit back and relax while you chew on that one..

 

[joeywoofwoof]

i agree- dumbest topic of ALL times..... they just can't beat this dead horse enough. I read it thinking I will see something new but I never do- it's always the same 'scare tactic' by the tsa guys- "don't go, or else!" I hate listening to people who try to tell me HOW to think.

 

[swordfish]

bro? do you have spikey hair too? im shakin...

No he works for expressjet and has 2 kids, still lives in his parents basement in SLC...


grow up mikee.

 

[Smarta$$]

OK, I will bite.....

What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?

You regional guys need to realize that most of you that have been hired in the past 4 years have a job because you work for less than your mainline counterparts. It is a classic pot meet kettle scenario.

Back to lurking and laughing at the riduculous arguements being made here.

A350

No, we have a job because you mainliners voted away hundreds of airplanes. We get paid less because if we raise the bar, YOUR mainline will just replace us with a cheaper competitor. And you mainline pilots would do nothing to stop it. Just like Horizon, ACA, Air Wisconsin, Expressjet and Comair. All high paying and all at least partailly replaced with cheaper. Did any Mainline MEC complain to their management about this practice? Nope. You just voted more planes away to the lowest bidder and then blame us for your problems.

Tool. You are the pot and the kettle.

 

[redbook]

Quote from A350-What is the difference between a Go Jets pilot who takes a job that "belonged" to a Trans States pilot and a pilot for another regional that takes a job flying what used to "belong" to Trans States?


OK since it's flamebait anyway- Imagine your flying your pretty 737 around. Now imagine your boss wants 75's but he doesn't want to pay you what your asking to drive it. So your OWN boss starts another airline and hires me (or someone underneath you on your own seniority list) to come fly 75's at a rate below what you were asking for. You would be angry-don't tell me you wouldn't.

You would then start calling me a SCAB, even though you "choose" to keep your 2.5% and therefore waive all rights to unions although in this case you find the term suitable to YOUR needs.

Now I shall sit back and relax while you chew on that one..

That post was a thing of beauty.

Thank you.

 

[Skippy]

An angry little letter from a pro blojet pilot

Forwarded to me from a buddy on airlinepilotcentral.com. This was after a "pissing match" over blojets.. Apparently his "friend" replied for him..Such anger....I added the *... It was really raw...And he speaks for all of the good men and women at Airtran... What a champ...

LISTEN TO ME C*CKSUCKA AND LISTEN GOOD!
JUST SO WERE ABSOLUTELY FCKIN CLEAR YOU LITTLE SNOT NOSED C*CKSUCKER.....THIS IS NOT PILOTARA WHO IS WRITING TO YOU RIGHT NOW...SO DONT WASTE YOUR TIME BASHING HIM... COME ON AND BRING IT ON WITH US .......IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS.

YOU GOT SOME SET SPEAKING FOR A.T. AS A WHOLE WITH RESPECT AS TO WHO GETS HIRED AND WHO DOESN'T. YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR SOMEBODY HUH....U AND UR LITTLE H.R. GAL? YOU REALLY THINK THAT YOUR WEIGHT PULLS AROUND THERE IN ATL HUH MR. PAGE 31 ....U FCKIN TWO FACED C*CKSUCKIN QUEER. WHO THE FCK DO YOU AND UR "JETWHO" BOY THINK YOU ARE....THE PROTECTORS OF THE "POOR AND IMPOVERISHED AIRLINE PILOTS" THE "UNFAIRLY AND UN-JUSTLY TREATED" TSA DRIVERS? YOUR THE VOICE OF FCKIN REASON BATMAN? HUH? GO FCK YOURSELF U QUEER FCK....U GOT NO TIME, NO EXPERIENCE, AND SHT FOR FCKIN BRAINS AS FAR AS WHATS GOIN ON IN THIS INDUSTRY. WE GOT MORE TIME TALKING TO SHANWICK CNTROL, AND MORE TIME OVER AN OUTER MARKER THAN YOU GOT TOTAL TIME YOU FCK!

YOU WERE A PROUD MEC QUEER AT TSA HUH? BE FCKIN PROUD OF THE DISFUNCTIONAL WORK YOU DID THERE, AND KNOW THAT THE FABULOUS WORK, AND THE TREMENDOUSLY GREAT "STEERING" YOU SAY YOU DID, THAT IN ITSELF HAD EVERYTHING TO DO WITH GOJETS CREATION. ITS CAUSE OF C*CKSUCKAS LIKE YOU THAT DONT KNOW HOW TO NEGOTIATE, OR WORK WITH YOUR MGMT THAT PROBLEMS ARISE. WE SUGGEST YOU BE ON YOUR BEST BEHAVIOR CXSUCKA AND HOPE THAT UR CAREER AT CITRUS EXCELS.....( U LITTLE SNOT NOSED FCK U THROW AROUND THAT WORD SCAB, AN AWFUL LOT FOR A PUNK WHO WASNT EVEN IN THE BIZ WHEN ALL THE PICKETING WAS GOING ON). SO HOPE YOU DO WELL PLAYING WITH COMPUTERS, OR MISLEADING AND BRAINWASHING YOUR GIRL THERE IN ATL YOU FCK, CAUSE AS FAR AS GOIN ANYWHERE ELSE.....I THINK UR FCKED MY MAN, I THINK THAT YOUR NAME IS NOW ON A "LITTLE BLACK LIST" ALSO YOU FCK!.....CONGRATS ON RUNNIN YOUR MOUTH IN THE RIGHT PLACES TO THE RIGHT PEOPLE! GOOD LUCK GETTIN HIRED ELSEWHERE SHOULD U NEED TO, YOU BLACKBALLED FCK!

FEW OF US HAVE THE ABILITY AND PRIVELEGE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, AND RARELY IS IT DONE! BUT FOR A LOUDMOUTH LIKE YOU ITS A PLEASURE...

ENJOY UR CAREER LITTLE NAZI ....NOW HURRY AND GO RUNIN TO UR LITTLE TOY UNION U FCKIN WHINING LITTLE CRYBABY.....

KEEP UR MOUTH SHUT, AND STICK TO SWINGIN GEAR AND ENJOY IT WHILE YOU GOT IT AND AS FOR UR OTHER LITTLE NAZI BUDDY AT "JETWHO".....WELL LETS JUST SAY YOU AND HIM WILL BE REMINISCING TOGETHER ABOUT THE DAYS YOU USE TO..... "FLY IN THE SKY!"

ENJOY UR CAREER WATCHIN OVER YOUR SHOULDER U INSTIGATING TWOFACED FCK. THE ONLY THING WORSE THAN A RAT IS A TWO FACED RAT, (A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHES) HUH? YOU DIDNT THINK YOU COULD HIDE YOUR TRUE COLORS FOREVER DID YOU?

KEEP RUNNIN UR MOUTH....LETS C WHERE IT TAKES U!

P.S. I WOULD THINK A PUBLIC APOLOGY TO PILOTARA,THE GJ AND TSA FOLKS WOULD BE IN ORDER HUH? MAYBE TELL THEM ABOUT WHAT A LITTLE SNOT NOSED, INSENSITIVE, HURTFUL, IGNORANT, SYCOPHANT,MANIPULATING TWO FACED LITTLE PRICK YOU ARE HUH? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL GET IN RETURN!

 

[PCL_128]

Casper, if I remember correctly, I believe you work for Pinnacle. If that's the case, please look on the MEC roster for the Council 128 (DTW) Secretary-Treasurer. That's me. Give me a call and I'll be happy to tell you why going to GoJet would be a huge mistake.

 

[theo]

No, we have a job because you mainliners voted away hundreds of airplanes. We get paid less because if we raise the bar, YOUR mainline will just replace us with a cheaper competitor. And you mainline pilots would do nothing to stop it. Just like Horizon, ACA, Air Wisconsin, Expressjet and Comair. All high paying and all at least partailly replaced with cheaper. Did any Mainline MEC complain to their management about this practice? Nope. You just voted more planes away to the lowest bidder and then blame us for your problems.

Tool. You are the pot and the kettle.

You are right...mainline pilots VOTED not to do the RJ flying. Just like TSA pilots VOTED not to do the GoJet flying. The point is there is no difference between any Regional pilot and any GoJet pilot. All are doing the same thing. Don't keep listening to the sour grapes from the losers who first voted against taking the GoJet flying and then cried cause they got what they asked for.

 

[A350]

I wouldn't complain about the 757 flying....if you are smart and the company wants to get larger airplanes, you get the flying and worry about the payrates later. It is usually harder for management to get rid of the planes once they have them. TSA pilots should have taken a lesson from their Mesa counterparts and taken the flying. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this was going. Scope clauses help but are not foolproof.

As far as the scab word, you kids need to learn the definition. Further, I would never call you a scab unless you crossed a picket line. If I used your definition of the word, every regional pilot that took a job while their mainline counterparts, their union bretheren, lost their jobs would be considered a scab.

Oh, yes, lots of mainline pilots refused to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC that I am aware of ever voted down the chance to fly the RJ's. No mainline MEC is going to cry about who flies the RJ's now. No regional MEC shed a tear over the loss of mainline jobs, why should we give a rats a$$ who does the flying now? What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Mainline MEC's don't negotiate for regional flying contracts last time I checked.

Union? What a joke.

A350

 

[redbook]

You are right...mainline pilots VOTED not to do the RJ flying. Just like TSA pilots VOTED not to do the GoJet flying. The point is there is no difference between any Regional pilot and any GoJet pilot. All are doing the same thing. Don't keep listening to the sour grapes from the losers who first voted against taking the GoJet flying and then cried cause they got what they asked for.

ok just for the record here is the difference between gojet/alter ego pilots and any other pilot.

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

 

[redbook]

I wouldn't complain about the 757 flying....if you are smart and the company wants to get larger airplanes, you get the flying and worry about the payrates later. It is usually harder for management to get rid of the planes once they have them. TSA pilots should have taken a lesson from their Mesa counterparts and taken the flying. It didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this was going. Scope clauses help but are not foolproof.
A350

A350, I think you are contradicting yourself here.

TSA "should have taken" the flying? At what price?

Aren't you the one talking about regionals screwing over the industry by flying for less?

How do you reconcile that?

TSA pilots took a stand. That is why everyone in the industry is aware of the alter ego threat and hates the gojet pilots.

 

[A350]

redbook:

You took a stand and you ended up losing the flying....is that a success?

Perhaps my post was too thorny, but I don't fault the regional pilots for flying the jets for "less".....but I do have a big problem with those who do the flying that someone else used to do but sleep soundly and then get PO'ed when someone else does it to them. That is why I consider them to be hypocrites.

In theory, every regional airline is an "alter-ego"....

A350

 

[swordfish]

ok just for the record here is the difference between gojet/alter ego pilots and any other pilot.

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

ONE ? WHERE ALPA?
ARE THEY AFRAID OF THE IBT?

 

[FlyHIToo]

ok just for the record here is the difference between gojet/alter ego pilots and any other pilot.

ALPA President to Trans States Management: We'll Cooperate, but We're Not Backing Down
ST LOUIS, MO - The head of the union that represents pilots at St. Louis-based Trans States Airlines today told pilots at a rally at Lambert Airport that the union is taking a carrot-and-stick approach to resolving labor issues at the airline.
"I have come here today to personally issue a public challenge to your management to alter the course that they have taken in dealing with their pilots," said Capt. Duane Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, International, in remarks prepared for the rally.
"I have come to challenge them to work cooperatively with our union to help build this airline for the future. And I have come to offer to help promote new business opportunities for this airline and new job opportunities for its ALPA pilots. I am convinced that, together, we can build Trans States into a strong, solid company for decades to come," Woerth said.
"I have also come here to draw public attention to the fact that, sadly, our efforts to discuss the issues before us in cooperation with the company have, to date, met with little to no success. Using only the most tenuous thread of justification, Trans States management has sought to create an alter-ego carrier that they intend to staff with pilots not sheltered by an ALPA-bargained contract," he said.
"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. The clearest proof? Management's premature and illegal attempt to install a separate union before GoJet employs any pilots or begins operations. While management's public claim that a contractual restriction makes it impossible to extend the ALPA contract to larger jets, I assure you that we can readily overcome this very common obstacle," Woerth said.
"The management at Trans States has concluded that they have some strong opportunities for growth of their company-in new sectors, in new markets, on new routes, and flying for new carriers. I applaud that vision. I salute it. That being said, I insist that the Air Line Pilots Association and the pilots we represent play our legitimate role in tangibly contributing to that growth. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to create an alter-ego carrier or a carrier that is 'walled off' from our pilots, whose sacrifices and hard work have built this company. GoJet may indeed be a viable operation moving forward-but only with our pilots in those cockpits," he said.
"Unfortunately, time is running out, because the management team at TSA has decided to do more than just stop talking to our pilots and their representatives. They have made the unfortunate - and potentially devastating - decision to crack down on our union and our union representatives here in St. Louis and elsewhere," he said.
"Standing right here with me today are two good ALPA representatives-officers who put their necks on the line for their brothers and sisters-who have recently been unjustifiably fired by TSA. The Executive Council of our International union was so outraged by these maneuvers that it recently voted to make these fired pilots financially whole until they are rightfully returned to their cockpits. That's what being union is all about. I will not tolerate attacks on, or interference with, our union representatives-pilots or employees-simply because they are members or staff of this union," Woerth said.
"The climate here at Trans States Airlines does not need to be poisoned. We can start fresh today - if management accepts our offered hand and alters their course of action. If they make that change, we can build a better airline and a better environment for the future," he said.

AUG 2005 almost 2 years ago. That was the last public statement about GoJet from ALPA. After the NMB settled the Single Carrier Petition, and certified the Teamsters, ALPA has never spoken about it again.

 

[theo]

ok just for the record here is the difference between gojet/alter ego pilots and any other pilot.


"In response to this tactic, we have been forced to file a grievance concerning this alter-ego carrier, because management has made it clear that GoJet exists solely to evade ALPA and the TSA-ALPA agreement. .

So Redbook, enlighten us. was this grievance ever heard? If so how was it resolved? Clearly if ALPA was right the grievance would have resolved the issue in your favor, yet it did not. Redbook you continue to use name calling and pure BS propaganda because you have no facts to back up your claims. Once again you lose.