Go Jet Pilots no longer welcome on XJ?

[Tarzan]

And therein lies the problem.....

What construes "stabbing your fellow pilots in the back" is up to interpretation.....

Well, let me take a crack at it.

When an airlines opens a new certificate expressly to get around the CBA of the original pilot group and another pilot takes a job with the new company while the original group is fighting..... I think that pretty much covers this sort of "stabbing your fellow pilots in the back."

There certainly are others but I believe this is the most pervasive and most easily stopped. The "lowering of the bar" does not fall here. It only opens you up to ridicule from other groups.

 

[A350]

Tarzan:

Let me take a crack at it.....

When a company opens up a new certificate to get around the CBA of the original pilot group and another pilot takes the job while the other is fighting, that much ...........

So we are in agreement that the regional carriers, who opened up new certificates to get around the CBA of the mainline pilot group while the other is fighting........

does that sum it up?

You guys will never get it....you can't expect this or any of the actions you proscribe to to give the profession a chance. Unity is where it is at, but you will never get there by trying to screw each other over.....union vs. non-union....union vs. union.....it will never end.

A350

 

[Tarzan]

So we are in agreement that the regional carriers, who opened up new certificates to get around the CBA of the mainline pilot group while the other is fighting........

does that sum it up?

You guys will never get it....you can't expect this or any of the actions you prescribe to to give the profession a chance. Unity is where it is at, but you will never get there by trying to screw each other over.....union vs. non-union....union vs. union.....it will never end.

A350

Ummm, regionals opened to get around what mainline CBA? All the stuff I've seen is because mainline guys sold it off because they didn't want to fly little planes. Or management offered a couple of more bucks for just a few more seats in scope. The genie's out of the bottle on that one and will likely never go back in.

I'm NOT looking for the opportunity to further my own career on the backs of another pilot group. Eventually, it will catch up with me. However, I don't think many others out there quite get it though (Read here: GoJet and Freedom A-listers). There will always be pilots who are in it to take care of me now. It all gets us in the end including the guys looking for the end around on seniority.

 

[A350]

When you did all that reading, you only comprehended what you wanted to.

If legacy airline management didn't know it had legions of pilots willing to fly anything they could throw at it, there wouldn't be regional carriers.....and all the pilots hired there would have had to have been hired at the mainline. Therefore, we would never have gone down the scope road, the SJS road, the alter ego road.....are you comprehending this?

You can say it all you want, but regional pilots did further their career on the backs of another group....the mainline pilots they now fly codeshare flights for that lost their jobs while the regional carriers exploded in size.

(for the reading impaired, I don't believe this...but there are that do)

Again, it just depends on your perspective. So stop all this holier than thou garbage about how you won't do anything to further your career. Airline management is depending on you and your fellow arrow chuckers.

A350

 

[MCOE175]

2 kids are playing in the school yard... One kid says to the other "my dad is a cop and he is gonna beat up your dad" the other replies, "oh yeah, my dad is a pilot and he is gonna ******************** your mom"

 

[EMB170Pilot]

2 kids are playing in the school yard... One kid says to the other "my dad is a cop and he is gonna beat up your dad" the other replies, "oh yeah, my dad is a pilot and he is gonna ******************** your mom"

no no it's,

"Oh yeah! My dad is a pilot and he fuked your mother in the a$$ and had you."

In my best Andrew Dice Clay voice, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[kj6991]

A Blow-jet pilot came on board the other day trying to jumpseat. we were full and our jumpseat was actually under an MEL(it really was). I politely told him our jumpseat was under MEL and he said "uuuuhhh really... umm okk.. i've been hearing a lot of that lately"

hahaha

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Well right now I have a bit of a dillemma... I could wait until later tonight to JS home or I could take a HOJet flight earlier... I should wait for the later flight shouldnt I?

 

[PCL_128]

Well right now I have a bit of a dillemma... I could wait until later tonight to JS home or I could take a HOJet flight earlier... I should wait for the later flight shouldnt I?

Uh huh.

 

[outtahere]

When you did all that reading, you only comprehended what you wanted to.

If legacy airline management didn't know it had legions of pilots willing to fly anything they could throw at it, there wouldn't be regional carriers.....and all the pilots hired there would have had to have been hired at the mainline. Therefore, we would never have gone down the scope road, the SJS road, the alter ego road.....are you comprehending this?

You can say it all you want, but regional pilots did further their career on the backs of another group....the mainline pilots they now fly codeshare flights for that lost their jobs while the regional carriers exploded in size.

(for the reading impaired, I don't believe this...but there are that do)

Again, it just depends on your perspective. So stop all this holier than thou garbage about how you won't do anything to further your career. Airline management is depending on you and your fellow arrow chuckers.

A350

There have been regional carriers since the early 70's, and at first they just flew small turboprops to really close destinations. Then the mainline guys got to big for their britches and didn't want to fly large turboprops or small jets so they sold scope in exchange for huge raises. Then the small jets got larger because they sold more scope to keep some of these large raises. Now, you have CL-65 in your bio, so I am going to assume that you were at a regional. So why didn't you go flight instruct and fly for some ********************ty frieght operator and wait your turn to get into a major? And also, you now apparantly fly for Jetblue, which most could say was at one point no better than Skybus, so why did you sell out and go to a job that is putting downward pressure on mainline salaries? You my friend are the hypocrite's hypocrite!

 

[Smarta$$]

Gayjet is specifically NOT on our list at Pinnacle. I was furloughed TSA because of them. Do you think they will ever see my jumpseat?

 

[Tarzan]

When you did all that reading, you only comprehended what you wanted to.

If legacy airline management didn't know it had legions of pilots willing to fly anything they could throw at it, there wouldn't be regional carriers.....and all the pilots hired there would have had to have been hired at the mainline. Therefore, we would never have gone down the scope road, the SJS road, the alter ego road.....are you comprehending this?

You can say it all you want, but regional pilots did further their career on the backs of another group....the mainline pilots they now fly codeshare flights for that lost their jobs while the regional carriers exploded in size.

(for the reading impaired, I don't believe this...but there are that do)

Again, it just depends on your perspective. So stop all this holier than thou garbage about how you won't do anything to further your career. Airline management is depending on you and your fellow arrow chuckers.

A350

Gosh, no answer to my question. What mainline CBA was violated by a start-up regional? Outtahere says it fairly well so I'll defer to his post.

BTW, I could have gone to GoJet and been a captain immediately. If I didn't believe it was going to hurt me, why would I go ahead? To be valiant? Hardly the case, that crap comes back around in the end. I am all for flying turboprops if it will give me a better shot at keeping a mainline job but you dang well it ain't going to happen. The gig is up at that level.

Before you start talking out your pie hole about I only take what I want from it, try reading mine again. After all, it looks like you only took what you wanted from the post as well. I agreed with most of your original post but question how you got a mainline CBA being walked on by a startup regional.

Get off your high horse bro. You're nothing but a bus driver like the rest of us.

 

[Razorback Flyer]

A lot of the times when you jumpseat on the majors they don't really care about this. The latestet one, the CA waved me back to the cabin because he was too busy eating and listending to his Ipod to shake my hand. I find it that it's mostly a regional CA thing. Still you should go up to the CA and FO and introduce yourself.

I don't believe this to be true at all. I did an observational jump seat the other day (on a mainline carrier,) and the captain summed it up pefectly. He said "Your first sentence when talking to the captain about the jumpseat should always end in a question mark." This wasn't directed at me, but at a jumpseater he'd had the previous day. The fellow showed up, hadn't shaved, and stated "I'm riding your jumpseat." The captain rebuked him for not asking (rightfully so, IMHO,) and asked the kid to run a razor across his face before boarding the aircraft. The guy got all huffy, and dissapeared.

So I think most major guys are a little more rigorous when it comes to getting on the jumpseat - and rightfully so. I've also noticed that most of them are just as respectful when they came to ask for a ride on my jumpseat. Many aren't as formal as to fully inspect all of your documents, and I think every captain has been in a situation where he's so burried under things that he just waves the guy on to the back. Many at the majors are unfortunately unaware of what is going on at the regional levels as well. But I think most major captains will definately give you the boot if you do not show propper respect and courtesy.

And from a former 'skier - XJ rocks!

 

[The_Russian]

I don't believe this to be true at all. I did an observational jump seat the other day (on a mainline carrier,) and the captain summed it up pefectly. He said "Your first sentence when talking to the captain about the jumpseat should always end in a question mark." This wasn't directed at me, but at a jumpseater he'd had the previous day. The fellow showed up, hadn't shaved, and stated "I'm riding your jumpseat." The captain rebuked him for not asking (rightfully so, IMHO,) and asked the kid to run a razor across his face before boarding the aircraft. The guy got all huffy, and dissapeared.

So I think most major guys are a little more rigorous when it comes to getting on the jumpseat - and rightfully so. I've also noticed that most of them are just as respectful when they came to ask for a ride on my jumpseat. Many aren't as formal as to fully inspect all of your documents, and I think every captain has been in a situation where he's so burried under things that he just waves the guy on to the back. Many at the majors are unfortunately unaware of what is going on at the regional levels as well. But I think most major captains will definately give you the boot if you do not show propper respect and courtesy.

And from a former 'skier - XJ rocks!

As they should be. When did folks lose respect for each other?

 

[siucavflight]

Well right now I have a bit of a dillemma... I could wait until later tonight to JS home or I could take a HOJet flight earlier... I should wait for the later flight shouldnt I?

I would say fly the one that gets you home the quickest.