Go Jet Pilots no longer welcome on XJ?

[YODA]

A lot of the times when you jumpseat on the majors they don't really care about this. The latestet one, the CA waved me back to the cabin because he was too busy eating and listending to his Ipod to shake my hand. I find it that it's mostly a regional CA thing. Still you should go up to the CA and FO and introduce yourself.

The most thorough inspection of my license, med, and company ID was by a Delta capt. so I do not think it is a "regional" thing but maybe an individual preference.

 

[nwa_contrails]

Maybe this is why they do not feel the need to exercise proper jumpseat etiquette and stop by the front office and ask permission to ride and show credentials. Twice last month these guys darted by the flight deck straight to their seats and never even said hello. The second time it happened the flight attendant politely asked him to come up front and see us. When he did, in a very non-confrontational way we explained that it was company policy to check the credentials of any jumpseater and it was also a common courtesy to stop by and say a quick hello to the crew. This individual acted like he knew nothing about this, all new to him, he also admitted to flying on our carrier several times before. Interesting, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he was new and just learning the ropes. Wrong! after a check of his ID he had been there 9 months! I jumpseat on Skywest and Trans States occasionally and I always introduce myself to the FA and ask permission to see the crew. I always have ID, Medical, License in hand and ask permission to ride along. The last thing I want to do is make the pilot group I represent look bad because as it has already been stated on this thread, jumpseating in a privilege, not a right. I hope this helps anyone who might be confused on how jumpseating works.

This has happened to me, too. Please tell me you kicked him off!

Way to go XJ, anything to make it harder for the scum of piloting is OK by me...

 

[Jack Mehoff]

In my new hire class we had a GOJets pilot, he said in his intro he worked for Trans States!! We all saw his old crew tag on his bag!! and it did'nt say TSA airlines!!

We had one is my class as well. He said he was "united express" we got to the bottom of it quickly and made him admit he was HOEjet. Fricken loser

 

[PCL_128]

A lot of the times when you jumpseat on the majors they don't really care about this. The latestet one, the CA waved me back to the cabin because he was too busy eating and listending to his Ipod to shake my hand. I find it that it's mostly a regional CA thing. Still you should go up to the CA and FO and introduce yourself.

Not true. Just because he waved you back doesn't mean that he didn't want you to stop in and say hello. It just means that he was busy having lunch. If you had just gone back and sat down without saying anything, he likely would have been pretty pissed when he saw you get off the airplane at the destination. Sometimes I didn't have time to have a conversation with a jumpseater and would just tell him to have a seat, but that doesn't mean that I didn't want him to stop by real quickly.

 

[The_Russian]

I will meet you at the monkey bars after school. Imma kick your butt. Oh yea, my Dad can beat up your Dad. Junior High all over again *eyeroll*
For the record, you are more than welcome on my plane but if ya wanna play these juvenile games..go ahead.

What you fail to realize is that this IS serious ******************** you are messing with. People's lives and contracts are not "my dad can beat up your dad" issues.

You stab your fellow pilots in the back, you will not be welcome in my airplane. Ever.

 

[Andrew_VT]

On mesaba flights doesn't the captain have to sign the jumpseat form and give the white copy to the gate agent and keep the yellow copy?

Why do we bother doing this if it isn't a big deal when a jumpseater 'sneaks' on without getting the signature?

 

[CX880]

Not true. Just because he waved you back doesn't mean that he didn't want you to stop in and say hello. It just means that he was busy having lunch. If you had just gone back and sat down without saying anything, he likely would have been pretty pissed when he saw you get off the airplane at the destination. Sometimes I didn't have time to have a conversation with a jumpseater and would just tell him to have a seat, but that doesn't mean that I didn't want him to stop by real quickly.

I'm not saying you should ignore the crew and take a seat. All I am pointing out in my 8 months of jumpseating, it's mostly regional CAs who are anal about jumpseaters, not all of them.

 

[AWACoff]

8 months? Can you give us any helpful tips about jumpseating? Thanks.

 

[A350]

And therein lies the problem.....

What construes "stabbing your fellow pilots in the back" is up to interpretation.....

What you had before was a "list" of pilots who had crossed picket lines. That was black and white. Now we have 1000's of interpretations of what a scab is or is not and the resulting chaos.

Have fun with that.....

A350

 

[ShyFlyGuy]

Maybe this is why they do not feel the need to exercise proper jumpseat etiquette and stop by the front office and ask permission to ride and show credentials. Twice last month these guys darted by the flight deck straight to their seats and never even said hello. The second time it happened the flight attendant politely asked him to come up front and see us. When he did, in a very non-confrontational way we explained that it was company policy to check the credentials of any jumpseater and it was also a common courtesy to stop by and say a quick hello to the crew. This individual acted like he knew nothing about this, all new to him, he also admitted to flying on our carrier several times before. Interesting, I even gave him the benefit of the doubt by assuming he was new and just learning the ropes. Wrong! after a check of his ID he had been there 9 months! I jumpseat on Skywest and Trans States occasionally and I always introduce myself to the FA and ask permission to see the crew.

Blows my mind. I had a GJ guy come aboard and announce that he was jumseating on us. I turned around to see who would be joking with me like that and there he stood, serious as a heart attack with his paperwork thrust in my chest. I looked over at my FO and asked if he'd talked to this guy yet. He said no, so I turned back to our visitor and said, "Uhhhhh..." as I grinned from ear to ear. He couldn't be serious, but there he stood with his paperwork, never offering his license, medical, or company ID. I asked as politely as I could, "If it's not too much of an inconvenience, could I see your ID and certificate? Pretty please?" I think he caught the hint, because he corrected himself and asked, "Oh! Um, I was wondering if I could jumpseat today," as he handed his stuff to me. I was so pleased that I taught him a new trick that I forgot to kick him off my plane for any of the obvious reasons (being w/ GoJets, being a total a-hole, or not offering his stuff when he checked in).

After he left, I felt like such an idiot for letting him by and asked if my FO would think less of me if I didn't bother removing him from the AC. He said he couldn't think any less of me, so I let it slide.

Just this once.

Shy

 

[Tarzan]

And therein lies the problem.....

What construes "stabbing your fellow pilots in the back" is up to interpretation.....

Well, let me take a crack at it.

When an airlines opens a new certificate expressly to get around the CBA of the original pilot group and another pilot takes a job with the new company while the original group is fighting..... I think that pretty much covers this sort of "stabbing your fellow pilots in the back."

There certainly are others but I believe this is the most pervasive and most easily stopped. The "lowering of the bar" does not fall here. It only opens you up to ridicule from other groups.

 

[A350]

Tarzan:

Let me take a crack at it.....

When a company opens up a new certificate to get around the CBA of the original pilot group and another pilot takes the job while the other is fighting, that much ...........

So we are in agreement that the regional carriers, who opened up new certificates to get around the CBA of the mainline pilot group while the other is fighting........

does that sum it up?

You guys will never get it....you can't expect this or any of the actions you proscribe to to give the profession a chance. Unity is where it is at, but you will never get there by trying to screw each other over.....union vs. non-union....union vs. union.....it will never end.

A350

 

[Tarzan]

So we are in agreement that the regional carriers, who opened up new certificates to get around the CBA of the mainline pilot group while the other is fighting........

does that sum it up?

You guys will never get it....you can't expect this or any of the actions you prescribe to to give the profession a chance. Unity is where it is at, but you will never get there by trying to screw each other over.....union vs. non-union....union vs. union.....it will never end.

A350

Ummm, regionals opened to get around what mainline CBA? All the stuff I've seen is because mainline guys sold it off because they didn't want to fly little planes. Or management offered a couple of more bucks for just a few more seats in scope. The genie's out of the bottle on that one and will likely never go back in.

I'm NOT looking for the opportunity to further my own career on the backs of another pilot group. Eventually, it will catch up with me. However, I don't think many others out there quite get it though (Read here: GoJet and Freedom A-listers). There will always be pilots who are in it to take care of me now. It all gets us in the end including the guys looking for the end around on seniority.

 

[A350]

When you did all that reading, you only comprehended what you wanted to.

If legacy airline management didn't know it had legions of pilots willing to fly anything they could throw at it, there wouldn't be regional carriers.....and all the pilots hired there would have had to have been hired at the mainline. Therefore, we would never have gone down the scope road, the SJS road, the alter ego road.....are you comprehending this?

You can say it all you want, but regional pilots did further their career on the backs of another group....the mainline pilots they now fly codeshare flights for that lost their jobs while the regional carriers exploded in size.

(for the reading impaired, I don't believe this...but there are that do)

Again, it just depends on your perspective. So stop all this holier than thou garbage about how you won't do anything to further your career. Airline management is depending on you and your fellow arrow chuckers.

A350

 

[MCOE175]

2 kids are playing in the school yard... One kid says to the other "my dad is a cop and he is gonna beat up your dad" the other replies, "oh yeah, my dad is a pilot and he is gonna ******************** your mom"

 

[EMB170Pilot]

2 kids are playing in the school yard... One kid says to the other "my dad is a cop and he is gonna beat up your dad" the other replies, "oh yeah, my dad is a pilot and he is gonna ******************** your mom"

no no it's,

"Oh yeah! My dad is a pilot and he fuked your mother in the a$$ and had you."

In my best Andrew Dice Clay voice, Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[kj6991]

A Blow-jet pilot came on board the other day trying to jumpseat. we were full and our jumpseat was actually under an MEL(it really was). I politely told him our jumpseat was under MEL and he said "uuuuhhh really... umm okk.. i've been hearing a lot of that lately"

hahaha

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Well right now I have a bit of a dillemma... I could wait until later tonight to JS home or I could take a HOJet flight earlier... I should wait for the later flight shouldnt I?

 

[PCL_128]

Well right now I have a bit of a dillemma... I could wait until later tonight to JS home or I could take a HOJet flight earlier... I should wait for the later flight shouldnt I?

Uh huh.

 

[outtahere]

When you did all that reading, you only comprehended what you wanted to.

If legacy airline management didn't know it had legions of pilots willing to fly anything they could throw at it, there wouldn't be regional carriers.....and all the pilots hired there would have had to have been hired at the mainline. Therefore, we would never have gone down the scope road, the SJS road, the alter ego road.....are you comprehending this?

You can say it all you want, but regional pilots did further their career on the backs of another group....the mainline pilots they now fly codeshare flights for that lost their jobs while the regional carriers exploded in size.

(for the reading impaired, I don't believe this...but there are that do)

Again, it just depends on your perspective. So stop all this holier than thou garbage about how you won't do anything to further your career. Airline management is depending on you and your fellow arrow chuckers.

A350

There have been regional carriers since the early 70's, and at first they just flew small turboprops to really close destinations. Then the mainline guys got to big for their britches and didn't want to fly large turboprops or small jets so they sold scope in exchange for huge raises. Then the small jets got larger because they sold more scope to keep some of these large raises. Now, you have CL-65 in your bio, so I am going to assume that you were at a regional. So why didn't you go flight instruct and fly for some ********************ty frieght operator and wait your turn to get into a major? And also, you now apparantly fly for Jetblue, which most could say was at one point no better than Skybus, so why did you sell out and go to a job that is putting downward pressure on mainline salaries? You my friend are the hypocrite's hypocrite!