GO Cleared for take-off!!

[KingKong2]

One thing is for sure they will not be riding in my jumpseat!!!!

U have NO jumpseat!!!!

 

[KingKong2]

2. GJ is not union so I will have no problem seeing them stapled.

They look like they will soon be unionized to me.....

http://www.teamsterslocal618.org/news-and-events.html

 

[KingKong2]

GJs however, is a direct violation of the TSA scope language. The TSA contract specifically mentions that no alter-ego carrier can be created or controlled by Trans States.

I think you are wrong about this..... Trans States Airlines INC. has not creted any airline at all. TSH Holding has. The ALPA contract is with Trans States Airlines INC. not TSA Holdings. So Go-Jet Airlines LLC can continue and is not an alter-ego to TSAirlines dispite ALPA's hollow thunder.

The alter-ego portion says something to the fact that "no alter-ego will be start to by-pass this CBA...." So, even if the above falls though, GJ was started to get around the APA CBA. So still no violation!

PCL.... maybe you should go to GJ's... Since MESBA is now geting all your new RJ's you will probably upgrade sooner there!!!

That $30,000 you spent at GA didn't teach you much. It really didn't teach you to keep your mouth shut....that is for sure!

 

[propjob27]

Proper usage of the word "scab"

Please quit using the word "scab" incorrectly. You're just making yourself look like an idiot, and doing a great injustice to the REAL scabs, seen here:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:uXfurbtOvAcJ:fracpilot.com/Scabs%2520by%2520Name%2520May04.PDF+Abbott,+Gregory+V+Eastern+scab&hl=en

-and-

http://fracpilot.com/Scabs%20by%20Name%20May04.PDF

Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[BoilerUP]

I think you are wrong about this..... Trans States Airlines INC. has not creted any airline at all. TSH Holding has. The ALPA contract is with Trans States Airlines INC. not TSA Holdings.

So that makes it all just peachy keen, eh?

So Go-Jet Airlines LLC can continue and is not an alter-ego to TSAirlines dispite ALPA's hollow thunder.!

Second most irgnorant statement on this board ever, right behind the moron that said PFT was worse than scabbing. I haven't read the TSA CBA, but if you have to nit pick this deep to find a loophole that allows you to justify that what you are doing doesn't directly impact the pilots of Trans States Airlines, your integrity as a professional has already been compromised. Just because its legal (and I'm no lawyer and don't know if it is) surely doesn't make it right. I don't know whats worse - knowing you are screwing TSA pilots, or that you have to justify it.

 

[redbook]

I think you are wrong about this..... Trans States Airlines INC. has not creted any airline at all. TSH Holding has. The ALPA contract is with Trans States Airlines INC. not TSA Holdings. So Go-Jet Airlines LLC can continue and is not an alter-ego to TSAirlines dispite ALPA's hollow thunder."

This is just repetition and everyone on these boards and the industry already knows this, but I will entertain you....

Kong, you and your one year atr fo buddy don't belong in those airplanes ahead of tsa pilots who are senior to you. TSH holdings is tsa. Same people, same management, with the money provided by the hard working employee groups of TRANS STATES. Get over it. You sound desperate. (Nervous?) Its 700 pilots of tsa versus you twenty scumbags. We built this company up and you guys are trying to tear us down, or jump on top of us to advance yourselves. What kind of pilot would search for loopholes in his own contract to screw his fellow pilot? A SCUMBAG like you. Life at the bottom at tsa surrounded by 700 pilots who know what a piece of garbage you are will not be fun.

 

[redbook]

Boiler Up sorry for repeating what you had already said...I must have been typing simultaneously what was patently obvious to anyone with any moral compass and not a self serving POS like G0JEt boys

 

[KingKong2]

I haven't read the TSA CBA, but if you have to nit pick this deep to find a loophole that allows you to justify that what you are doing doesn't directly impact the pilots of Trans States Airlines, your integrity as a professional has already been compromised. Just because its legal (and I'm no lawyer and don't know if it is) surely doesn't make it right. I don't know whats worse - knowing you are screwing TSA pilots, or that you have to justify it.

1st I didn't dig deep...it is right on the surface.

"I haven't read...nor do I have any idea what I am talking about....but I will preach to you and tell you what you should do for your life." Why do all you 1000hr wonders pull this crap? Just wait till you get out of college/CHQ and into the real world. See what happens then.

 

[BoilerUP]

You responded to my post with straight ad-hominum attacks, while doing NOTHING to address the integrity or ethical issues I raised. Are you ignoring the obvious, or are you too oblivious to understand how G0Jet's funding came directly from "TSA Holdings" which before G0Jets was formed gained their income from TSA Airlines? What of G0Jet having the having the same officers and same address as Trans States? What about how the pilots of TSA are screwed out of growth by the refusal to fly on a common seniority list like at Chautauqua? I may only be a "1000hr wonder" but I sure as hell know what it is to screw my peers and colleagues for my own selfish gain. Blowjet pilots aren't scabs, but they aren't much higher in integrity.

Besides, you don't know dick about my flight or work experience other than the obvious of where I attended college, but thanks for playing.

 

[redbook]

1st I didn't dig deep...it is right on the surface.

"I haven't read...nor do I have any idea what I am talking about....but I will preach to you and tell you what you should do for your life." Why do all you 1000hr wonders pull this crap? Just wait till you get out of college/CHQ and into the real world. See what happens then.

Kong, I am sure you were the way you are now, back in college. The "real world" is a nice convenient excuse for dirtbag actions, just like SCABS had their excuses.
You never address BoilerUp's central point. Its the same refrain with you...alpa sucks...the industry made me do it...etc...

Your posting on these boards is swaying no one. You are alone with your fellow staple fodder.

 

[KingKong2]

TSH holdings is tsa. Same people, same management, with the money provided by the hard working employee groups of TRANS STATES.

So why then are these seperate:

DAL Holding, ASA, COMAIR
NWA Parent, NWA, MESBA
AMR, American, Eagle
CAL dba, ExpressJet (60%), CAL
U Group. USAirways, PSA, MidAtlantic
The Llst goes on and on....

They all get their funds for a/c from their parent company...

 

[pianoman]

You let me know how you feel when GJET finds someone who'll do it cheaper than YOU and starts another alter ego. oh wait....they won't be able to.

 

[redbook]

TSH holdings is tsa. Same people, same management, with the money provided by the hard working employee groups of TRANS STATES. /QUOTE]

So why then are these seperate:

DAL Holding, ASA, COMAIR
NWA Parent, NWA, MESBA
AMR, American, Eagle
CAL dba, ExpressJet (60%), CAL
U Group. USAirways, PSA, MidAtlantic
The Llst goes on and on....

the bottom guy at dal didn't go to comair to screw the guy who was ahead of him in seniority....you really are retarded with these analogies. G0jet tsa and NWA mesaba? You're kidding right?

GO interview at fed ex and propose your idea to your future fellow pilots of starting HoJet and being a new hire MD11 captain for less money. I am sure they would salute your ability in building a happy workplace.

 

[KingKong2]

GO interview at fed ex and propose your idea to your future fellow pilots of starting HoJet and being a new hire MD11 captain for less money. I am sure they would salute your ability in building a happy workplace.

Do you know how much a GJ pilot makes? I have yet to see their pay rates yet?

 

[KingKong2]

Do not worry Go-Jet now has the 1st protest against their Certificate....If Barb gets her way they will never fly.....



http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=340008&docketid=19877



the sky is finite. the country is finite. we cannot continue to load more andmore airplanes into the skies, causing utter destruction to those who live belowthese flight paths. they almost land in your yard these days!the people on the ground are being exposed to endless noise, danger and pollution what with drunk pilots, inadequately cheaply maintained planes, pilots who lie on their licenses, overloads and above weight airplanes, dirty polluted air. aviation gas is the most toxic. we say no and object to any more aviation companies. a moritorium should be in place. GJ should be rejected. this is an objection for the record.

I like the drunk pilot thing the best....

 

[BoilerUP]

Do you know how much a GJ pilot makes? I have yet to see their pay rates yet?

The original plan and numbers I saw put it about a buck an hour over the TSA 50-seat rate with no block-or-better, which would be AWESOME at ORD and IAD. Is this correct? If not, care to provide us with documentation of hard numbers, or are you betting the company will duly compensate you for your efforts?

 

[redbook]

Do you know how much a GJ pilot makes? I have yet to see their pay rates yet?

1.ITS ABOUT THE SENIORITY....and you know it. That is why a one year fo with no scrupules jumps at the "opportunity". So even if you made 200/hr it would still be wrong. People have worked years here at tsa...what do you say to them? Why should you be in that seat? You have never and will never answer this question.

2.You won't make a fair wage at *************************, otherwise there would be no reason to whipsaw tsa. Which makes you even lower, because you would be a dirtbag, and for cheap.

Like I said, go try your Hojet idea at fed ex, southwest etc...you will get the same result as at tsa. You are a pariah for the rest of your life and your short career.

 

[SLFLYHI]

homer i hope your not defending these guys/gals.

No they aren't scabs, but they are just as bad...backstabbers trying to advance over the backs of others.

All in all, its like someone getting hired next to you dispatching making a dollar an hour less than you, and you getting phased out b/c you're "too expensive"...and you either lower your rate, or take a hike....

Right on, clown. You called this one absolutely right. I hope you live in your base, blowjet pilots - cause you ain't gettin no ride nowhere....

 

[PCL_128]

I think you are wrong about this..... Trans States Airlines INC. has not creted any airline at all. TSH Holding has. The ALPA contract is with Trans States Airlines INC. not TSA Holdings. So Go-Jet Airlines LLC can continue and is not an alter-ego to TSAirlines dispite ALPA's hollow thunder.

A weak technicality that will not hold up to scrutiny before an arbitrator. This will end with an arbitrator ruling for ALPA and the HoJet pilots will be stapled to the bottom of the TSA list.

The alter-ego portion says something to the fact that "no alter-ego will be start to by-pass this CBA...." So, even if the above falls though, GJ was started to get around the APA CBA.

BS and you know it. TSA management doesn't need to create an entirely new pilot group to get around the APA scope. All they need is a new airline. TSA seniority list pilots could still be used for such an airline, and that's exactly what the TSA CBA requires. This isn't about getting around APA scope. This is about trying to break TSA ALPA.

PCL.... maybe you should go to GJ's... Since MESBA is now geting all your new RJ's you will probably upgrade sooner there!!!

No thanks. I sit in the top third of the Pinnacle list. I'm going to upgrade class in a few weeks. Thanks for the advice though.

 

[abcdef]

A weak technicality that will not hold up to scrutiny before an arbitrator. This will end with an arbitrator ruling for ALPA and the HoJet pilots will be stapled to the bottom of the TSA list.

Where did you get your law degree???