Global 5000 on Deck!!!

[GVFlyer]

So why does it cost 15-20% less to manufacture a G500 than a G550, or a G5000 as opposed to a GEX? I find it difficult that they're simply cutting their margins very much (although I could be wrong!).

For the Gulfstream G500 manufacturing costs are nearly the same. The jet, however, does not include some items which are standard on the G550 such as HUD, EVS, SATCOM and the Premium Interior. Keep in mind that when Gulfstream sold "Green airplanes" the average customer spent $6.5 million on an interior.

GV

 

[G100driver]

I hated to give up my 1968 GIISP, I liked it even better than the GIII as far as flying qualities.

Sure you miss it ..... yea. I miss having the chicken pox when I was 25.

 

[GVFlyer]

GV Flyer, you flying those for Uncle Sam ?

Used to... then we all migrated to industry.

GV

 

[G100driver]

Used to... then we all migrated to industry.

GV

Andrews based?

 

[fatburger]

Anyone have any insight on the G200? Our department is going to either the Challenger300 plus Global Line or the G200 plus the G450/550 line. Thanks.

-fatburger-

 

[GVFlyer]

Andrews based?

Roger that.

GV

 

[G100driver]

Anyone have any insight on the G200? Our department is going to either the Challenger300 plus Global Line or the G200 plus the G450/550 line. Thanks.

-fatburger-

I cannot speak about the GLEX or Big G's, but run do not walk away from the G-200. It is nothing but pig with Gulfstream flavored lip-stick. Noisy with an an un-realiable slat/flap system. No matter what the sales guys tell you, it is the same Eaton POS slat/flap system that was in the the Astra/G-100. You will have to deal with the same bull-headed design team that you would have to deal with if you purchased an old Astra. Nobody can tell them that they are wrong.

The Challenger 300, from what I understand is a great performer and flies great. I have been inside a few Flex 300 and my only negative is that the finish work inside the cabin is marginal at best. The wood work seams are not lined up properly and the cabinet edges protude. All and all, for a new interior, it looks like it was done at a 3rd rate interior shop. That might just be because they were made for Flex and they needed to street the airplane to make revenue and would fix the cabin durning the 1st major inspection.

Anyhow, that is my take. Good luck.

 

[fatburger]

G100-


Thanks for the info. All of my colleagues feel the same way about the G200. Unfortunately we don't have any say on the selection process. Thanks again.

-fatburger-

 

[P3-Adub]

G100

That explains the bad scarring on your face ! Chicken Pox at 25... When you going to change your title to HMFIC2000EX ? Gulfstream did say that the wing is fixed. No problem, slap a big cabin on it and they will sell, until they figure out it still breaks all of the time. The Challenger 300 at NBAA looked pretty nice inside, was missing a cabin door to separate the cabin and cockpit though. No comparison between the G-200 and the CL300, the Challenger 300 is a great design.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You DONT want a G200/Galaxy.

G100 hit it dead on -- run, dont walk away from that idea.

 

[G100driver]

When you going to change your title to HMFIC2000EX ? Gulfstream did say that the wing is fixed.

??? You will have to enlighten me.

As for the G-200 design being fixed .... yea right. I know of a G-II that I will sell you with a patch in its wing for full market value ....

It is the SAME Eaton POS slat/flap accutators that are in the Astra. The only difference is that they changed the part numbers. This comes from the GD guys on the floor.

If I could give you another reason to run from the G200 it would be the runway performance. If you can sway the decision makers based on performance the CL 300 is a clear winner. Give you boss a 90F degree day, 1000 ' AGL with a 5000 foot runway and fly 1800 nm. The G-200 will not be able to get you off the ground and make 2nd segement. Ain't gonna happen. This is the example we used going from Peachtree to the west coast.

 

[P3-Adub]

G100

HMFIC ??? Surely you know what that means ??? Head mother F&%ker in charge. Whats wrong with a patch anyway ? Makes the plane go faster, longer, and sell for more with such a fine improvement. All of that new metal on such an old airframe ? Passengers feel much more at ease when they see the man hole cover in the bottom of the wing, better for inspection access. Oh how I miss the smoke trail and bystanders covering their ears ! That and all of the freebies when buying 2000 gallons a pop.

 

[AA717driver]

Sorry to interrupt the G200 bashing...

Our G550's have about 300 hours apiece on them. Since the "mini-cert", several problems have been fixed and a couple have reappeared. None of these problems will keep you from going but they are just annoyances. All the big pieces work great.

As for flying it at .87, it seems that we start to get pretty good buffett at that range. I'll try to look at the speed next time we get up that fast to make sure. Maybe it takes .88. GVflyer would know.

Anyway, another thing we've been doing is for the LAX-China or beyond trips, we don't even try to do long range cruise. We do .85 to Osaka, get gas and then it's .85 again to our destination. It really saves time.TC

 

[Computer Geek]

G200, Hit the nail on the head most of the nuisance messages at start up are self induced on the Global line, if you don't let the computers finish the self tests and talking to each other at boot up your going to get fault messages.

I crank the APU then go do the outside walk around before I move a switch in the cockpit. In the last 3 years the airplane has never stranded me.

my 2 cents
CG

 

[some_dude]

P3

P3, I'm sure they could slide you right back into that old GII, since you're feeling so nostalgic these days. I'll put in a good word for you.

We'll have you in Puerto Vallarta before you know what hit you!

HMFIC ??? Surely you know what that means ??? Head mother F&%ker in charge. Whats wrong with a patch anyway ? Makes the plane go faster, longer, and sell for more with such a fine improvement. All of that new metal on such an old airframe ? Passengers feel much more at ease when they see the man hole cover in the bottom of the wing, better for inspection access. Oh how I miss the smoke trail and bystanders covering their ears ! That and all of the freebies when buying 2000 gallons a pop.