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Canadfly: both are in bk

the tekst in the contract prevents Gemini from setting up a subsidiary with a lot lower crew cost and transferring planes there, Mesa-Fredoom Air, Centurion-Cielos del peru, Arrow-Arrow Panama.
Nothing prevents Gemini from selling or dry leasing the planes (DC10) to anybody who wants them.

Does this make sense? Maybe ,maybe not.
One thing is for sure, if the DC10 part of the house will cease to exist, the operational (overhead) cost of the MD11 side will go up. There is quite a managerial (required by FAA) and support staff needed to operate 4 MD11's that is also needed for the 10 fleet. D/O, CP, Dir of Training, Dir of safety, Dir of MX, crew scheduling, dispatch, HR, finance and so on. Some of these departments can lose a few rank and file employees, but a lot of these positions are mandatory and their cost would only be bourne by 4 MD11's, now by 11 planes. Maybe better to keep the -10's flying.
However, if you can't compete any longer against low(er) cost operations like Cielos or customers don't want to pay the fuel bill any longer maybe it's time to change the business model. Best solution would be to get more MD11's (if Fed X wouldn't get them first) or buy brandnew planes for which there is a demand (777, even some start-up carrier in India bought a bunch over the weekend, 747 market is getting saturated, Cathay is not going to do some conversions that it planned a year ago if that's an indication), and then lease out the -10's.
We'll see
 
metrodriver said:
Cathay is not going to do some conversions that it planned a year ago if that's an indication

Can you please post a link or supply the source of that information? I have been looking for the past 30 minutes, but cannot find any article or even the Cathay Pacific website that says that. Not saying it's not true, just want to read the article.

Cheers,

BBB
 
Does Gemini own it's MD-11s? If so, don't be surprised to see UPS purchase them. We've been on the prowl for every MD-11 we can get our hands on.
 
What about the char-broiled DC-8 sitting in PHL right now?
But irrelevant. The MD-11's aren't going anywhere.
 
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30West said:
What about the char-broiled DC-8 sitting in PHL right now?
But irrelevant. The MD-11's aren't going anywhere.


You are wrong about that one too. UPS did not declare a hull loss on that plane either. It has been officially retired and will be parted out.
 
Sent an e-mail to the MEC asking if they were going to rush another TA. The answer is NO, they intend to take their time. Also made the point that minus the 1113 threat, parking airplanes etc.. the vote surely would have been 70-75%, asked them to treat negotiations as if 75% voted against.

Time will tell,
 
As a minimum the committee should negotiate a lifting of the pay freeze, using the pay scale previously negotiated in our current contract, and solidify the monthly bid cycle. No more of this rotating bid with carry-ins, outs without overtime pay. I don't think I am off base in this, but what do you guys think?
 
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