Gemini News

[jercdevil]

Move your you soap box on down the road B19. After 3 furloughs 2 LOWP's and 4 years on a payfreeze, I'm done drinking the coolaid. We are an organized workforce and a judge can't decide for us what our contract can and will be.

 

[b19]

I respect you and your experience here. Good luck and good health.

 

[dc10maniac]

We have to stay UNITED to be strong.:uzi:

 

[GAC11Flyer]

Monyet,

I did contributed to the process. Like Jercdevil put it.After 3 furloughs 2 LOWP's and 4 years on a payfreeze, I too am done drinking the cool aid brother!

Let's not forget the letter that P.C. put out a few years ago, as to why we shouldn't vote a union in!

 

[fogrunner]

What was the impetuous to negotiate during the Bankruptcy process? We certainly gained no advantage from it. On the contrary I think the company had more to gain from starting/continuing the process because they could use it as a bargaining position.
It seems to me as though we keep failing "Negotiations 101". Again what is the big rush?

 

[porra]

B19,
If thats the case, and maybe if you are right, why don't we call off the negotiations right now, let the company exit BK and then start the negociations again.
Also I heard, that our MEC has someone else on the side lines that could go in and negotiate for us, but they will not use him...
At the end we could only blame ourselfs for accepting this BS contract if it passes, and I know alot of people will start saying the vary same thing you just said here( because we were ion BK we had no choice but to accept...) thats all BS.
Shame on our MEC for bringing this BS contract to us...what a joke

 

[fogrunner]

B19,

Also I heard, that our MEC has someone else on the side lines that could go in and negotiate for us, but they will not use him...

You referring to Mike B.? I know he is interested in returning to the bargaining table if asked. I know he has expressed an interest in doing this. I think there might be some politics and ego involved preventing him from returning. It would be nice to have a trained negotiator representing us.

 

[dhc8drvr]

I voted no and here is my reasoning:

I and many others are at a crossroads in our career where the return is simply not worth the time and investment. I love flying, and wish to continue, but the unhealthy lifestyle, responsibility and time away demands more. The industry as a whole needs to figure out a way to operate AND have reasonable pay and work rules. As long as we are willing to sell our selves short for mistakes made in a corporate office, we will continue the downward spiral until it just will not be worth it anymore.

In a perfect world I would like to see every ACMI carrier with the same work rules and pay, something we could all live with. Contracts would be awarded based on performance and reliabilty rather than low bid.

Just my thoughts.

 

[porra]

Fogrunner,
The person I heard of is someone else, I don't have the pilot list with me, but I think his name is CT. Mike B. would also be an excellent guy to have there right now. At least we know he would fight for us...

dhc8drvr,
I agree with you, I just hope that there are enough of us to vote no on this rev TA. I hope I'm wrong but talking to some other folks on the road, it looks like this TA might pass.

 

[fogrunner]

All that is needed for it to pass is 50%+1. The MEC is hoping to convince a mere 27 people to change their vote to a yes.

The industry as a whole needs to figure out a way to operate AND have reasonable pay and work rules. As long as we are willing to sell our selves short for mistakes made in a corporate office, we will continue the downward spiral until it just will not be worth it anymore.

You are correct. It is very hard to stand your ground and ask for a decent wage when quite a few of our competitors pay less than us or have lower guarantees for comparable equipment. The regional airlines have their Mesa's undercutting the competition to gain market share and we have some operators we compete against doing the same thing. As long as you have people willing to work for companies that furlough seasonally or pay their 2nd yr FOs $50-55 an hour or a Captain $85 an hour to fly a DC10 or 74 it is going to be an uphill battle.