Gary Kelly on ATL News

[Dan Roman]

Especially when you OWN most of the aircraft. Completely different than every other carrier.

Food for thought, if those aircraft become outdated, is it a liability to own older generation A/C and be at a competitive disadvantage going up against airlines with a more modern fleet?

 

[roughneck]

Food for thought, if those aircraft become outdated, is it a liability to own older generation A/C and be at a competitive disadvantage going up against airlines with a more modern fleet?

I have to assume you also feel having a fleet that is majority "red headed step children" 717's is also a liability? The SWA fleet has more than 7 times the number of "new" -700's as AirTran. Who has the liability?

 

[humveedriver]

You have around 50 firm orders on the books. You have sold more planes and delivery slots than that in recent years. That is factual.

I think you are talking about the post 2008 fleet plan. Airtran was the launch customer for the 717 back in 1998. In 2003 AT added the 737NG fleet model with 100 orders, and then place another order for 15 (115 total). After the oil spike in 2008 AT modified the fleet plan. AT sold/returned 11 737NG's and deferred 36 737NG's. This required no new aircraft payments until Q2 of 2012. The 2009 fleet consisted of 86 717's and 50 737's. The 2010 fleet plan was originally for 174 total aircraft, reduced to 138. We added 2 737's that year. The 2011 fleet plan was originally for 188 aircraft reduced to 145. We are scheduled to take deliver of 2 717's and 4 737's this year. 138 plus 6 is 144. That's 1 short for the forecast. After the 27SEP announcement our deliveries became moot.

 

[dicko]

You have around 50 firm orders on the books. You have sold more planes and delivery slots than that in recent years. That is factual.

I'm a little curious about your numbers. Do you have something to back them up ?

You need to show that AirTran sold more than 50 Aircraft and delivery slots
in the last three years. Deferring an aircraft delivery to a later date doesn't amount to selling a slot or an aircraft.

You may begin ....

 

[roughneck]

AT sold/returned 11 737NG's and deferred 36 737NG's. This required no new aircraft payments until Q2 of 2012

Humvee summed it up well. The fleet bleed was planned to continue because BOB knew he was losing money and had nothing in the bank for payments and nowhere to put any new aircraft. That is the reason AirTran has been for sale. Gary wants gates in Atlanta and you guys were selling them cheaper than we could have battled you for them.

You are being acquired for that reason alone.

 

[Ty Webb]

. . . BOB knew he was losing money and had nothing in the bank for payments and nowhere to put any new aircraft. That is the reason AirTran has been for sale. Gary wants gates in Atlanta and you guys were selling them cheaper than we could have battled you for them.

You are being acquired for that reason alone.

Yes, with $500 million in the bank and $150 mil line of credit, we couldn't pay the $3 million payment required for a financed 737 delivery. :laugh:

Oh, and GK spent $3.5 billion for 30 gates in ATL, not for our profitable airline.

Roughneck, you are an angry little man. You never have anything relevant to say, it's all based on your alternate reality and has no basis in fact or in reality.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[boeing717]

Yes, with $500 million in the bank and $150 mil line of credit, we couldn't pay the $3 million payment required for a financed 737 delivery. :laugh:

Oh, and GK spent $3.5 billion for 30 gates in ATL, not for our profitable airline.

Roughneck, you are an angry little man. You never have anything relevant to say, it's all based on your alternate reality and has no basis in fact or in reality.

Welcome to my ignore list.

You must be a lonely man. I know who you are and I never thought bad about you until everybody at work told me about you on this site. Now I see what they were talking about. You are a loser. Please put me on your ignore list also.

 

[Ty Webb]

You must be a lonely man. I know who you are and I never thought bad about you until everybody at work told me about you on this site. Now I see what they were talking about. You are a loser. Please put me on your ignore list also.

That's not how an "ignore list" works. :erm: Sheesh.

You can't even figure out a message board, and you want to tell ALPA how to handle the seniority list integration? :laugh:

Good Luck with that.

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by insulting your co-workers on a pilot message board, when you're not even a pilot, but, hey, knock yourself out. Where's the gate agent forum, so I can go stir up crap on your board?

 

[boeing717]

That's not how an "ignore list" works. :erm: Sheesh.

You can't even figure out a message board, and you want to tell ALPA how to handle the seniority list integration? :laugh:

Good Luck with that.

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by insulting your co-workers on a pilot message board, when you're not even a pilot, but, hey, knock yourself out. Where's the gate agent forum, so I can go stir up crap on your board?

I might not be able to figure out the ignore list. SHEESH. However, I figured you out pretty fast. I think the rest of SWA will figure you out if they haven't done it already. I do not eman to insult you but when you talk it is hard not to. Please do not take it personal, I am sure it is not your fault you keep making stupid statements. Do you really think we are equal to SWA? We are just a pea in the pot compared to them. Face it, we were for sale and they bought us. Get over it.

By the way, can you explain the ignore list for me. I would appreciate it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah, blah, blah

Sorry, but I'm invoking Murphy's Rule here.

You have yourself a splendiforous day, y'hear?

 

[dicko]

Humvee summed it up well. The fleet bleed was planned to continue because BOB knew he was losing money and had nothing in the bank for payments and nowhere to put any new aircraft. That is the reason AirTran has been for sale. Gary wants gates in Atlanta and you guys were selling them cheaper than we could have battled you for them.

You are being acquired for that reason alone.

You're not doing very well backing up your assertion. You've shown that we sold 11 Aircraft. You've got 39 to go .....

You seem to have little understanding of a deferred delivery of aircraft.

Refer to your original post if you're confused. Keep at it. The rest of your post is boring rhetoric.

 

[Bill Nelson]

You seem to have little understanding of a deferred delivery of aircraft

Not to get in the middle of you guys pissing contest, but it looks like this one has been deferred forever. I think SL8 just made sure there is no such thing as a deferred AirTran delivery schedule. Those airplanes belong to SWAPA pilots now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/5508272322/

 

[Fubijaakr]

Kelly said in the company’s 40-year history, there has never been a furlough, pay cut, benefits taken away.

That bodes well for the 6,000 Airtran employees wondering about the big changes coming over the next 24 months.

I guess the Muse, Transtar and Morris guys who didn't make the transition to SWA don't count technically as furloughs.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Morris

I guess the Muse, Transtar and Morris guys who didn't make the transition to SWA don't count technically as furloughs.

I believe all the Morris Pilots were offered positions.

You are correct on your other assertion.

 

[Ty Webb]

This message is hidden, because boeing717 figured out how to operate the ignore list. . . sort of. Well, not really. :laugh: