Gary Kelly on ATL News

[BlueBlood]

Aw naw he didn'!

 

[carl p]

Yawn, will it ever get old guys?

 

[humveedriver]

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I thought I did. In the last 3 years AirTran has sold or deferred 47 aircraft and since September 27th they have divested their interest in all that they had left meaning AirTran has given up rights to about 150 in the last 3 years. Is that clear enough for you?

No it's not. You didn't say deferred in your original post. You said sold. But hey, even major newspapers/jounals publish corrections to their articles, so it's all good. I'm still not tracking the 150 aircraft though. We are the largest operator 0f the 717. We should have 89 on property by the end of the year (if they are not already there). We have never shrunk that fleet. The most orders of 737NG's we had was 115 (not 150). So if have 54 green and white 737's right now; 115-54-11= 50. We gave up rights to 50 737NG's in the last 6 months, not three years. If my logic is wrong, that's cool, just explain it to me.

 

[roughneck]

How many airplanes does AirTran have now?

 

[humveedriver]

"As of January 31, 2011, we operated 86 Boeing B717-200 aircraft (B717) and 52 Boeing B737-700 aircraft (B737) offering approximately 700 scheduled flights per day to 69 locations across the United States and the Caribbean" -Edgar Online

I mispoke too. If the two 717's come online this year it would be 88 717's. As far the 737's go, I really can't remember the source for how many we are getting this year (I don't count APC as a source), and of those which got siphoned of to SWA, I'm sure someone out there remembers the press release. We secured financing last year for all 2011 deliveries. But you know what? NONE of that matters now. Your getting them ALL!

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

It kind of looks like your MEC is going to make this another Muse type situation! It seems he really wants to make a name for ALPA on this integration at the expense of the Airtran Pilots. You guys have to be certain if this starts getting ugly because of the all mighty ALPA, Gary will protect his current work force. With oil headed north, who knows?

 

[iluvflying]

It kind of looks like your MEC is going to make this another Muse type situation! It seems he really wants to make a name for ALPA on this integration at the expense of the Airtran Pilots. You guys have to be certain if this starts getting ugly because of the all mighty ALPA, Gary will protect his current work force. With oil headed north, who knows?

Seriously, whats the point of your post? Since you and your coworkers (the ones on this board) speak with Gary everyday and are the ones who make the decisions for him-- why in the hell do you care what ALPA is doing or what the AirTran guys believe. You, think you, know how it is going to turn out so leave the AirTran posters alone. Gosh, you Southwest guys have some real issues.

 

[General Lee]

Seriously, whats the point of your post? Since you and your coworkers (the ones on this board) speak with Gary everyday and are the ones who make the decisions for him-- why in the hell do you care what ALPA is doing or what the AirTran guys believe. You, think you, know how it is going to turn out so leave the AirTran posters alone. Gosh, you Southwest guys have some real issues.

Ya think? This is all about spreading fear. They want ALPA and the AT guys to accept a deal out of fear. GK does NOT want this merger to go away, he and Wall St want it to occur, with as few problems as possible. SWAPA is nervous about an SLI, and the pressure is on. If SWAPA doesn't play nice, eventually GK will grow impatient and pressure them to either get arbitration or settle. I say, go for arbitration, it has worked great the last few times.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

It kind of looks like your MEC is going to make this another Muse type situation! It seems he really wants to make a name for ALPA on this integration at the expense of the Airtran Pilots. You guys have to be certain if this starts getting ugly because of the all mighty ALPA, Gary will protect his current work force. With oil headed north, who knows?

Gary didn't give SWAPA the thumbs up or thumbs down option this time like he did with F9. That should mean something to you, like HE WANTS THIS MERGER TO HAPPEN. Spreading fear just doesn't help, and it will probably push ALPA to an impasse, which means arbitration and probably relative seniority. Either make a deal, or GK will force you to. He and Wall St want to see good results ASAP from this merger, and each delay thrown up by SWAPA delays that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Roomwithaview]

I luv flying

The only thing I was serius about was SL8. The rest was BS to rub in the nose of OYS (DAL Pilot-SWA reject). Sorry you couldn't see the sarcasm. I'll make sure to use more smiley faces in the future.

ps. keep taking advice from guys like Gen Lee. Unlike us he only has your best interests at stake!

:smash:
:cartman:

 

[Tweet-a-Lishus]

Sounds like you guys are getting a little edgy!

 

[iluvflying]

I luv flying

The only thing I was serius about was SL8. The rest was BS to rub in the nose of OYS (DAL Pilot-SWA reject). Sorry you couldn't see the sarcasm. I'll make sure to use more smiley faces in the future.

ps. keep taking advice from guys like Gen Lee. Unlike us he only has your best interests at stake!

:smash:
:cartman:

Personally, I do not think you have my best interest at heart either. I just feel so sorry for all the guys/gals that have to come over and be apart of your so called CULTURE. After my hubby turned down the job at Southwest (yes he did and was happy to do so) so I could continue with my flying career I felt bad but now I am thanking God. He loves Fedex and made the right choice. If he would have to fly with you guys that would be a real hell.
I just don't get why you want to step all over someone to get one up in life? You have a real character flaw. I will be praying for your wife and children.

 

[Dan Roman]

Gosh, you Southwest guys have some real issues.

Sure seems that way doesn't it? Interesting to note that their union apparently asked them to refrain from posting on public boards like this and you see a lot that did back off. Seems to me the few who still need to are either non SWA flamers or grossly narcissistic with very little regard concerning anything other than themselves or their airline. I don't think you can judge a whole airline by these clowns.
SWA and AT are two very similar operations who do the same type of short to medium haul LCC flying. As "GARY" said, they need each other equally or they will shrink. I'd say that's what an arbitrator will see.

 

[Dan Roman]

Personally, I do not think you have my best interest at heart either. I just feel so sorry for all the guys/gals that have to come over and be apart of your so called CULTURE. After my hubby turned down the job at Southwest (yes he did and was happy to do so) so I could continue with my flying career I felt bad but now I am thanking God. He loves Fedex and made the right choice. If he would have to fly with you guys that would be a real hell.
I just don't get why you want to step all over someone to get one up in life? You have a real character flaw. I will be praying for your wife and children.

You do raise a point though. I'm staring to wonder if perhaps SWA might have more than their fair share of egomaniacs. I see a lot of defensiveness on here about the fact that they make (finally) good pay relative to the industry and a lot of defending the people that bought a type to get hired (fair enough, I paid for my comm inst multi and flight instructor ratings). Tellingly, I have met mostly good people from SWA, buy they do have some that really seem to want people to know they are "AIRLINE PILOTS!" We all know the type and perhaps it's just a coincidence that they have been SWA people, but this board is starting to make me wonder.

Gotta laugh when a SWA guy bashes ALPA. ALPA is trying to represent the whole profession, SWAPA cares only about themselves. Right wrong or indifferent, it sounds pretty silly being a SWA pilot claiming ALPA sold out the profession allowing codesharing with RJ's and yet SWAPA allowed it's company to expand it's 737 flying into Mexico and Canada with other operators? Hello???

 

[clr4theapch]

Ok guys and gals.. As you can see one of you newer members was just give a week off for TOS violations.. these were so bad in content and creative swearing that the member did not even warrant warning..

As you all know me by now, I am fair and equal to all.. the ruels here are just that.. to be followed.. As one of the moderators here, we get reports on specific posts.. as as such, I judge the merits of that post based on the TOS.. many time I do not read the thread, don't know what its about, and frankly don't have time to read them all..

So I ask and remind you to please obey the Flight info Terms of Service (TOS) no creative swearing, no sexual content or remarks and no person attacks..

For those new members that just want to blow their top.. take the days anger out on someone else or your just ticked off because you got stuck in a crappy job like being an airline pilot or janitor or something like that.. there is the non-aviation section here where you have a much higher allowance for raging madness..

That is all... clr4//mod

 

[SKC]

You do raise a point though. I'm staring to wonder if perhaps SWA might have more than their fair share of egomaniacs.

Not a good idea to form an opinion of a 32,000 employee company on the merits of less than 50 here on FI. Even if all 50 were loud-mouthed idiots, it still wouldn't even tell you anything other than those type of people tend to migrate to this particular website.

 

[NuGuy]

Hmmm, I used to work for a regional that made that same claim. Hadn't furloughed a single person in over 30 years in business.

When push came to shove, they furloughed in a heartbeat.

Nu

 

[redflyer65]

ALPA is trying to represent the whole profession

Dan,

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. ALPA is only concerned about getting the dues money flowing upward.

 

[27 driver]

Dan,

That's hilarious. Thanks for the laugh. ALPA is only concerned about getting the dues money flowing upward.

Unfortunately I believe you are right Red. ALPA has become a super top heavy empire that is more political in nature than anything else.

 

[dicko]

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