Gary Kelly on ATL News

[Ty Webb]

. . . BOB knew he was losing money and had nothing in the bank for payments and nowhere to put any new aircraft. That is the reason AirTran has been for sale. Gary wants gates in Atlanta and you guys were selling them cheaper than we could have battled you for them.

You are being acquired for that reason alone.

Yes, with $500 million in the bank and $150 mil line of credit, we couldn't pay the $3 million payment required for a financed 737 delivery. :laugh:

Oh, and GK spent $3.5 billion for 30 gates in ATL, not for our profitable airline.

Roughneck, you are an angry little man. You never have anything relevant to say, it's all based on your alternate reality and has no basis in fact or in reality.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

[boeing717]

Yes, with $500 million in the bank and $150 mil line of credit, we couldn't pay the $3 million payment required for a financed 737 delivery. :laugh:

Oh, and GK spent $3.5 billion for 30 gates in ATL, not for our profitable airline.

Roughneck, you are an angry little man. You never have anything relevant to say, it's all based on your alternate reality and has no basis in fact or in reality.

Welcome to my ignore list.

You must be a lonely man. I know who you are and I never thought bad about you until everybody at work told me about you on this site. Now I see what they were talking about. You are a loser. Please put me on your ignore list also.

 

[Ty Webb]

You must be a lonely man. I know who you are and I never thought bad about you until everybody at work told me about you on this site. Now I see what they were talking about. You are a loser. Please put me on your ignore list also.

That's not how an "ignore list" works. :erm: Sheesh.

You can't even figure out a message board, and you want to tell ALPA how to handle the seniority list integration? :laugh:

Good Luck with that.

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by insulting your co-workers on a pilot message board, when you're not even a pilot, but, hey, knock yourself out. Where's the gate agent forum, so I can go stir up crap on your board?

 

[boeing717]

That's not how an "ignore list" works. :erm: Sheesh.

You can't even figure out a message board, and you want to tell ALPA how to handle the seniority list integration? :laugh:

Good Luck with that.

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by insulting your co-workers on a pilot message board, when you're not even a pilot, but, hey, knock yourself out. Where's the gate agent forum, so I can go stir up crap on your board?

I might not be able to figure out the ignore list. SHEESH. However, I figured you out pretty fast. I think the rest of SWA will figure you out if they haven't done it already. I do not eman to insult you but when you talk it is hard not to. Please do not take it personal, I am sure it is not your fault you keep making stupid statements. Do you really think we are equal to SWA? We are just a pea in the pot compared to them. Face it, we were for sale and they bought us. Get over it.

By the way, can you explain the ignore list for me. I would appreciate it.

 

[Ty Webb]

Blah, blah, blah

Sorry, but I'm invoking Murphy's Rule here.

You have yourself a splendiforous day, y'hear?

 

[dicko]

Humvee summed it up well. The fleet bleed was planned to continue because BOB knew he was losing money and had nothing in the bank for payments and nowhere to put any new aircraft. That is the reason AirTran has been for sale. Gary wants gates in Atlanta and you guys were selling them cheaper than we could have battled you for them.

You are being acquired for that reason alone.

You're not doing very well backing up your assertion. You've shown that we sold 11 Aircraft. You've got 39 to go .....

You seem to have little understanding of a deferred delivery of aircraft.

Refer to your original post if you're confused. Keep at it. The rest of your post is boring rhetoric.

 

[Bill Nelson]

You seem to have little understanding of a deferred delivery of aircraft

Not to get in the middle of you guys pissing contest, but it looks like this one has been deferred forever. I think SL8 just made sure there is no such thing as a deferred AirTran delivery schedule. Those airplanes belong to SWAPA pilots now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartjunco/5508272322/

 

[Fubijaakr]

Kelly said in the company’s 40-year history, there has never been a furlough, pay cut, benefits taken away.

That bodes well for the 6,000 Airtran employees wondering about the big changes coming over the next 24 months.

I guess the Muse, Transtar and Morris guys who didn't make the transition to SWA don't count technically as furloughs.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Morris

I guess the Muse, Transtar and Morris guys who didn't make the transition to SWA don't count technically as furloughs.

I believe all the Morris Pilots were offered positions.

You are correct on your other assertion.

 

[Ty Webb]

This message is hidden, because boeing717 figured out how to operate the ignore list. . . sort of. Well, not really. :laugh:

 

[dicko]

Not to get in the middle of you guys pissing contest, but it looks like this one has been deferred forever. I think SL8 just made sure there is no such thing as a deferred AirTran delivery schedule. Those airplanes belong to SWAPA pilots now.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/smartj...I'm going to return to my coloring books now.

 

[roughneck]

Unfortunately Roughneck is having trouble backing up his facts. He doesn't understand the process of aircraft orders, deliveries and deferrals.

Southwest hasn't closed the deal to acquire AirTran but they have closed the deal to acquire your future aircraft. I'd say you don't "understand the process of aircraft orders, deliveries and deferrals." You no longer have any orders, deliveries or deferrals.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Roughneck

we have SL8. Have you read it. It's a doozy. It sure had the family guy up in arms.

 

[ivauir]

I guess the Muse, Transtar and Morris guys who didn't make the transition to SWA don't count technically as furloughs.

The Morris pilots were all taken - even ones previously fired from SWA.

Muse/Transtar was the same airline. Their merger committee negotiated
an SLI with SWAPA. Their MEC turned it down.

 

[dicko]

we have SL8. Have you read it. It's a doozy. It sure had the family guy up in arms.

If "the family guy" is the person I think you're referring to, then that's pretty funny.

We prefer "The penguin".

 

[dicko]

Southwest hasn't closed the deal to acquire AirTran but they have closed the deal to acquire your future aircraft. I'd say you don't "understand the process of aircraft orders, deliveries and deferrals." You no longer have any orders, deliveries or deferrals.

You really can't answer the original question ? You keep deflecting.

No worries.

 

[redflyer65]

If "the family guy" is the person I think you're referring to, then that's pretty funny.

We prefer "The penguin".

Thanks for making me lose my drink.

 

[RJ Bum]

Especially when you OWN most of the aircraft. Completely different than every other carrier.

Do you have the numbers on how many are paid for and the source? just trying to do some research. thanks

 

[redflyer65]

I didn't dig into the 10k or quarterly report, but in the 2009 report it states that Southwest owns 440 aircraft and leases only 97. Roughly 82 percent of the airframes are owned out right.

That's a pretty big advantage in this industry.

 

[roughneck]

You really can't answer the original question ? You keep deflecting

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I thought I did. In the last 3 years AirTran has sold or deferred 47 aircraft and since September 27th they have divested their interest in all that they had left meaning AirTran has given up rights to about 150 in the last 3 years. Is that clear enough for you?