G5 SIC slots

[acaTerry]

What SIC is making $120,000?

Imacdog, I have several friends at SWA who as SICs bring home $140,000. I have enough recommendations from a lot people at various carriers that I'd have a fairly good chance if I needed them, but I'd rather not need them.

Trogges, don't be too amused with my attitude, it's prevalent with pretty much every surviving SIC at NJA. I just prefer to see a career at NJA improve rather than hop all over aviation anymore. Perhaps you should read my earlier post (and educate yourself) before you come in here with your mouth wide open and the personal attack.
And where do you get the $120,000 figure? There is no such figure for an SIC at NJA. And I do more than vacuum crumbs...in the 560 airframe we get to do the poopy bowl too because so few FBOs will do it anymore because they are afraid to spill it. The fact is we are far more than pilots at NJA.
Sorry about your being part of the 495, but it's aviation. I HAVE been in your shoes. It sucks, and that's especially why there has to be some payoff. Therein my friend is the point.
Sorry if I sound preachy, but you felt rather free to come at me with both guns blazing. I have been flying professionally since 1994, perhaps a little longer than you. You need to spend a little less time feeling sorry for yourself and see how the fight someone else is going on with will benefit you later. Would you want to come back to a NetJets with a 10 year SIC pay cap? And no upgrades? Why don't we just give up our health plan for you because we are still employed and you are not? Stop. Listen. Learn. The things that are going on at NJA will affect you when you return, hopefully soon.
Keep your head up. BTW if you're using the job search boards, I'd recommend willflyforfood.com over climbto350.com. Like I said, been in your shoes before.

 

[nordo_2]

Stagnation sucks Terry, but that's pretty universal no matter where you are.

Not every stagnated SIC position is frustrating. Examples, such as friends I have at Delta and SWA come to mind. I have a few friends at regionals that are captains content making the same amount of cash as an SIC at NJ, and not working half as hard. Some of us just have higher expectations for themselves. These are personal preferences. Hanging out at NJ as an SIC indefinitely, suites some folks just fine. The amount of deadwood at NJ is staggering for the bottom 10-15%. Absolutely no growth, or relief via a mandatory retirement age.

 

[acaTerry]

Not every stagnated SIC position is frustrating. Examples, such as friends I have at Delta and SWA come to mind. I have a few friends at regionals that are captains content making the same amount of cash as an SIC at NJ, and not working half as hard. Some of us just have higher expectations for themselves. These are personal preferences. Hanging out at NJ as an SIC indefinitely, suites some folks just fine. The amount of deadwood at NJ is staggering for the bottom 10-15%. Absolutely no growth, or relief via a mandatory retirement age.

I get what you're saying and you're right. The thing at NJA is that there is a cap at year 10 for SICs. Upgrades are like a pipe dream, and now we can't even use SIC bids to make a living. That's what everyone has the beef with. Seniority rules, yes. But something has to change next contract. I don't want to hear a single PIC say that the SIC payscale belongs on the backburner.

 

[jppt2000]

Yep. Pay cut for him, while denying a pay raise for an SIC. Win-win! (for the company)

Or maybe the downgrading PIC is exercising his seniority rights.
Moderating the NJA boards aren't keeping you busy?

 

[nordo_2]

Or maybe the downgrading PIC is exercising his seniority rights.
Moderating the NJA boards aren't keeping you busy?

Ya, that is the way it works.

 

[CA1900]

I'm not a moderator over there. And in light of recent events, I'm grateful for that!

As for the issue at hand, yes, that PIC is exercising his rightful seniority rights. That's fine. But that doesn't mean that action is not taking away an opportunity for an SIC who already has very few open to him.

 

[acaTerry]

I'm not a moderator over there. And in light of recent events, I'm grateful for that!

No kidding! Those guys deserve a paycheck for that nowadays. I never thought I'd see the days where FI seems more docile than our own site.

 

[nordo_2]

I'm not a moderator over there. And in light of recent events, I'm grateful for that!

As for the issue at hand, yes, that PIC is exercising his rightful seniority rights. That's fine. But that doesn't mean that action is not taking away an opportunity for an SIC who already has very few open to him.

Sarcasm on:

It’s seniority baby. You just gotta “suck it”, and “love it”….Or not…

Sarcasm off:

 

[Helmsalee]

BTW, Terry, the furloughed guys Cobra ran out some time ago. NJ is not helping us at all on medical. And also, even while we were on Cobra, we paid the full premium.
Helm

 

[BentOver]

No kidding! Those guys deserve a paycheck for that nowadays. I never thought I'd see the days where FI seems more docile than our own site.

We wouldn't know because some majority voted to keep us off.. wonder which majority that was? Probably the same one who now tries to apply censorship to the grown up board. And also tolod us we didn't know what we were talking about the last 2 years....

 

[BentOver]

But that doesn't mean that action is not taking away an opportunity for an SIC who already has very few open to him.

Nor does advocating extended days as being ok to pick up.. How did that one turn out a year later for M.L. and Co.? After all that has happened with extended days this year I'm all for PIC's doing what they choose, after all it is CONTRACTUAL.

Sarcasm off

 

[CA1900]

We wouldn't know because some majority voted to keep us off...

That decision came solely from the executive board. The volunteers had absolutely nothing to do with that decision, and it's one I vocally opposed, then and now.

 

[kman]

What SIC is making $120,000?

Sic's at Swa, Delta, FedEx, Ups, United, Alaskan and Hawaiian.

 

[jppt2000]

I'm not a moderator over there. And in light of recent events, I'm grateful for that!

As for the issue at hand, yes, that PIC is exercising his rightful seniority rights. That's fine. But that doesn't mean that action is not taking away an opportunity for an SIC who already has very few open to him.

Oh yes,
Thanks for correcting me, you're the union website administrator and volunteer coordinator!
Maybe you should get a stipend too!

 

[pilotyip]

Seniority rules.

What a terrible inconvenient truth

67 really isn't all that old these days. If I continue to take care of myself, and avoid any major mishaps, then I could have many years of enjoyment after 67. Or not. That's harder to predict than the market.

If this is true why all the screaming about "Get out of my seat?" in the name of age and safety?

 

[imacdog]

What a terrible inconvenient truth

Just not at USA Jet when they decide to retire the Falcons.

Let me help you back to where you belong:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27

 

[acaTerry]

I don't know a single line pilot (myself included) who voted to keep you guys off the web board. In fact, I don't even remember getting the chance to vote on it all (just like some of the side letters that keep trumping the contract but never informed us about). And I also think that you guys should not just keep Cobra, but get one better by keeping regular benefits just like a guy on LOA.
And what a nice way to inform you, on Thanksgiving, that you were getting furloughed, and start it at Christmas week....lowdown and dirty thing that was handled poorly too.
But remember that we are trying to make NJA a better place for when you get back. Many of us have also contributed to the 495 fund for Christmas (you're welcome Trogges), so don't think you're alone in this. You may mean nothing to the company, but to your brethren pilots at NJA you matter.

 

[rajflyboy]

no worries

I guys are more qualified than the rest

 

[CA1900]

Oh yes,
Thanks for correcting me, you're the union website administrator and volunteer coordinator!

Not a moderator, as I said. I have nothing to do with that function on the board anymore, and haven't for years. None of the moderators from a few years ago are still doing it.

 

[pilotyip]

Just not at USA Jet when they decide to retire the Falcons.

Let me help you back to where you belong:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27

What a terrible inconvenient truth What does this post about seniority have anything to do with flying a Falcon, other than they elect to do it based upon their seniority?