G0JETS Blows

[Reebo]

Study your history. You just might learn from it. I lived in Atlanta during that strike in '89. I saw the families of good striking pilots destroyed by Lorenzo and his disgusting SCABs. SCABs and pseudo-SCABs like the Freedumb pilots and now the BloJets pilots are the enablers of hostile management. They enable scum like Lorenzo and Orenstein to screw over the good pilots that fight hard to earn a good living and provide for their families in an honest manner. They let Lorenzo take his time transferring assets from EAL over to CAL while the striking pilots struggled to get by. Eastern was gutted for good. If it wasn't for them, Lorenzo likely would have sold Eastern because it was of no use to him if he couldn't slowly transfer assets. The jobs of those EAL pilots might have been saved, at least for a little while longer. More recently, the Freedumb pilots enabled Orenstein to bend the Mesa pilots over because their flying was being transferred to Freedumb. Do you really think that the Mesa pilots would have such a crappy contract now if it wasn't for the Freedumb pilots that willingly screwed them over? I think not.

It's time to wake up and realize that what happens at one airline affects another. When the Freedumb scum forces the Mesa pilots to take a crappy contract then it makes it harder for you to get a decent contract also. It all ties together. This isn't just a few pilots looking for a job so they can feed their families. It comes down to a lot more than that in the end.

Great Post!

 

[Reebo]

Study your history. You just might learn from it.QUOTE]

I'm concerned about the airlines indusrty today. What happened in 1989 is water over the dam. I did all the studying I need to do in college.

One day you'll regret you ever said that.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

I can defiantly learn things as I go along in this industry and your probably right, my comment was very naive. But I will never insult the integrity of working people. My parents busted their ass' to put 2 kids through flight school / college so that we didn't have to put ourselves through. I have nothing but respect for them. I'm sorry that Gjets or Hullas (spelling sorry) is doing the things that he is doing, but I applaud those that do what's right by there families.

I think your words prove that flying a bigger jet definitely doesn't make you any smarter!

You people are truely amazing! The day will come when even you yourselves will realize it, but until then I'll be pulling for ya....... to be stapled to the bottom of TSA's list.


PtP

 

[FreedomAList]

. . .pseudo-SCABs like the Freedumb pilots

Pseudo-SCAB? What, is that something you just made up and apply to anyone you think is ruining your idea of a perfect world? Sheesh.

I'm telling you, use "Freedomites". Whereas scabs cross picket lines to stab others in the back, Freedomites didn't cross but did something equally unpleasant to pilots from behind (freedomites/sodomites, get it?) . . . .

or so the "argument" goes (or rhetoric, anyway).

BTW, about the jumpseating thing . . . Mesa will fly for Delta this fall (as ALPA Freedom) and for NWA when they go Ch 11 next year. ASA is a definite potential merger candidate for us . . . . . So I'll see you eventually. Please be honest and vent about how you hate Mesa and Freedom when you ask for a ride . . . .

. . . I like to ask jumpers if they have the list, show it to me, point out my name, then ask them why I should let them on board . . . which I always do after watching them squirm . . .

 

[FreedomAList]

Uhh, no. Try again. I'm a proud "right-wing nut" as some around here might say. Proud 2-time Bush voter (also voted for his brother in Florida actually). Thanks for playing though.

How can you possibly be so strongly union, yet so proud to vote for such an outspoken big business, anti-labor candidate? Do you think this president would EVER allow a pilot group to strike (RLA, remember)? We're not talking about not voting for a guy because of some wierd policy issue; this is an issue that affects your livelyhood in a very direct way . . . .

Because if pilot unions can't strike, they can't do squat. Airline management knows this, and has been running over their union for the past 5 years . . . conicidence, or has all their lobbying for a anti-union candiate paid off?

If you really care about labor, hold you nose and vote Democrat next time. This will help labor a heck of alot more than a list.

 

[FreedomAList]

That's pretty funny. Ho Jet was supposed to be revenue flying on August 1. Perhaps you would like to update us on the progress of the Bridgeton Bozos?
(For the unfamilar, Bridgeton MO is the corporate HQ for Trans States/Ho Jet.)

As deadlines slip towards '06 Big Daddy UAL must be really pi$$ed.

Calling SkyWest ....

Well, there is rumor (re: flightinfo), and there is fact (unknown to me, and probably you).

Per MESA ALPA at the time: Freedom wasn't going to happen, couldn't start up on time, couldn't survive a court challenge, couldn't get it's FAA cert, couldn't get competent pilots, and couldn't run an op on time . . . Uh, THEN IT DID. Oops.

I don't really care a whit about *************************s. But everything I see here is 99.9% identical to what went on at F8 years ago, and I suspect we're seeing history repeating itself. So my interest here is really just academic (and to stir up a little poop).

 

[PCL_128]

How can you possibly be so strongly union, yet so proud to vote for such an outspoken big business, anti-labor candidate?

The truth is, neither party is friendly to unionized labor. Need I remind you which party the President belonged to who signed NAFTA into law? Besides, there are many issues that I believe are much more important when selecting a President.

By the way, you won't find me "squirming" if you ask me about the list when I try to catch a ride. I'll gladly show you the list and we can even debate the whole thing right there in the flight deck if you wish.

 

[fuelflow]

There are plenty of airlines hiring that are not created for the sole purpose of circumventing the TSA pilots' CBA. If these guys want to get payed to fly airliners then they can apply to: Comair, ASA, PSA, ExpressJet, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Atlas, Kalitta, UPS, FedEx, Mesa, etc... Need I go on? In order to fly for a living they don't need to stab other pilots in the back. That is choice they are making.

************************* was not created to circumvent the TSA CBA. It was created to comply with APA's scope provisions. TSA's CBA had very poor scope and an MEC who had no will to deal with their management, so there's your outcome. As I've said before, GJ has professional well credentialed pilots working for them, mostly furloughed mainline pilots, in a unionized workplace with a good contract underway. GJ pilots are not lowballing anyone.

By the way, before I recieved my Private Certificate I saw those time-building ads in aviation magazines and knew then and there that that was selling out.

 

[DX Rick]

Indeed I do. I also carry the Freedumb list and now the BloJets list. I'm not the only one either. I know lots of guys that carry the Freedumb list.

I'm going to come up with a PFT list, and pass it along to everyone. What you did is worse than SCABBING.

 

[BoilerUP]

I'm going to come up with a PFT list, and pass it along to everyone. What you did is worse than SCABBING.

Single most ignorant comment on Flightinfo. Ever.

 

[PCL_128]

************************* was not created to circumvent the TSA CBA. It was created to comply with APA's scope provisions.

What a load of crap. If TSA management just wanted to comply with APA scope, then all they had to do was staff the new airline with TSA pilots. A second airline certificate is all that is necessary to comply with the APA scope language. A new pilot seniority list is not. Instead of using their current pilots that helped bring in the revenue to pay for this new airline, they brought in a bunch of scumbags (that means you) to circumvent the TSA CBA. This isn't about APA scope at all, this is about good old fashioned union busting.

 

[flyer172r]

************************* was not created to circumvent the TSA CBA. It was created to comply with APA's scope provisions. TSA's CBA had very poor scope and an MEC who had no will to deal with their management, so there's your outcome. As I've said before, GJ has professional well credentialed pilots working for them, mostly furloughed mainline pilots, in a unionized workplace with a good contract underway. GJ pilots are not lowballing anyone.

TSA's contract is amendable next year. How can you possibly think that GJ won't be used against the TSA pilots when they're fighting to their working conditions. And if you have such great information on a good contract, why don't you share where you got it with us so we can all see what a wonderful place GJ will be.

 

[PCL_128]

I'm going to come up with a PFT list, and pass it along to everyone.

Really, that should be interesting. You gonna pass it out to all your dispatcher buddies? I'm sure every PFT'er out there is scared now that a dispatcher is going to deny him a jumpseat. Or maybe you can pass it out to all your buddies that you fly Cessnas and Pipers with. Dang, nothing worse than getting bumped off that last Cessna flight home because the "Captain" wouldn't let you on the jumpseat. [/sarcasm]

 

[fuelflow]

What a load of crap. If TSA management just wanted to comply with APA scope, then all they had to do was staff the new airline with TSA pilots. A second airline certificate is all that is necessary to comply with the APA scope language. A new pilot seniority list is not. Instead of using their current pilots that helped bring in the revenue to pay for this new airline, they brought in a bunch of scumbags (that means you) to circumvent the TSA CBA. This isn't about APA scope at all, this is about good old fashioned union busting.

Not true. AA has repeatedly told TSA that 50+ seat aircraft shall not be flown by TSA nor it's pilots, and that doing so would put TSA in violation of their codeshare agreement. APA has not given any commitments to either TSA or Chautauqua about whether or not it would sue if flying is done under under a common CBA. Chautauqua has a stronger position because their pilots have strong scope and effective union leadership.

I would blame APA's very effective scope clause and TSA's ineffective scope.

And I'll compare any GJ pilot to a PFT GIA alumni swinging gear at Pinnacle who decided when he had 250 hours to write a $20,000 check to keep from paying his dues in the industry.

 

[BoilerUP]

Not true. AA has repeatedly told TSA that 50+ seat aircraft shall not be flown by TSA nor it's pilots, and that doing so would put TSA in violation of their codeshare agreement. APA has not given any commitments to either TSA or Chautauqua about whether or not it would sue if flying is done under under a common CBA. Chautauqua has a stronger position because their pilots have strong scope and effective union leadership.

This does not make any sense. CHQ codeshares with American and operates a common CBA, but if TSA did the same thing it would violate the codeshare agreement? I declare shenanigans on this, because I fail to believe their agreements could be that much different. The scope of CHQ and TSA's contract should be irrelevent as to American and the APA giving a darn about who flies what airplanes. If I were the APA, I'd have far bigger concerns than Waterski pilots flying for 70 seaters for Blowjets...like a transparent alter-ego carrier being formed to circumvent their powerful scope, while screwing a fellow pilot group they should have no beef with.

And I'll compare any GJ pilot to a PFT GIA alumni swinging gear at Pinnacle who decided when he had 250 hours to write a $20,000 check to keep from paying his dues in the industry.

PCL has expressed multiple times his regret at making the decision he made, but yet he continues to be bashed on this board, including by you. I for one am glad you hold BLOWJETS pilots in such common high esteem.