G0-Jet Pay Scales

[Steveair]

Go-Jets Actually Gives Money???

I didn't know that Go-Jet Pilots actually got money for flying... I thought that they just received a little cheese since everyone who works for them are R-A-T-S!

 

[Night_Flight]

Well said Steveair! I thought that Blow-Jet pilots were greedy, but they don't even make money! As another UND alumn, it angers me to see that go-jet is targeting schools with good pilots who do not know better -yet!

UND / ERAU/ Purdue etc... ALUMN's ----don't let good schools team up with Bendover-jEt! Tell the department how bad it is!

 

[redbook]

I'll let you guys know what the reply is...

Dear Mr. P#######,

My name is ##########, a UND Graduate and a former member of SAMA. It has come to my attention that you have invited Go-Jet Airlines, (A Division of Trans-States Holdings) to this years SAMA conference. I would like to inform you of some details about this airline of which you may not be aware.

In 2003-2004 the Trans-States airlines MEC was in negotiations with management over possible new flying with EMB-170 aircraft for the United Airlines codeshare, which ultimately fell through and the aircraft went to Chautauqua Airlines. Chautauqua and Trans-States both fly for American Airlines as American Connection. After Chautauqua started receiving aircraft it was brought to their attention they were in violation of the American Pilots (APA) scope clause of their contract, which states (paraphrasing) no subsidiary of AA or codeshare Partner of AA shall operate aircraft larger than 50 seats. After they were made aware of this they decided to create another airline for the EMB-170's and Republic Airlines was born. Chautauqua worked closely with their pilot group and through tough but fair negotiations they were successful in reaching a deal which would allow the pilot seniority list to be integrated with this new airline (and also subsequent airlines such as Shuttle America and Mid Atlantic). Having seen the problems at Chautauqua the Management at Trans-States Airlines decided to be proactive and Go-Jet Airlines was born.

Instead of working with the pilot group at Trans-States Airlines to come to a mutual agreement over seniority rights at this new airline the management team at Trans-States airlines decided that since this was a "totally separate" airline it did not have any obligation to honor our contract. (Our Contract Says in Section 1 in the section on scope "The Company shall not create an Alter-Ego to circumvent any section of this contract.") I am not a lawyer but the word company was weak and the NMB decided that the company was not Trans-States Holdings, but Trans-States Airlines. Trans-States Holdings continues to be a holding company only with no real offices and actually the business certificate was revoked by the state of Missouri in 2003 for not re-filing paperwork. Trans-States did make one offer to the pilot group in the form of concessions and a contract extension in which 75% of the voting pilots turned down. To this date no other offer has been proposed.

The University of North Dakota stands for integrity and honesty, not shady business practices and loopholes. I am proud to be a UND graduate, but when I hear about my university advertising and supporting Go-Jet Airlines I am dismayed. I urge you not to support Go-Jet airlines. Go-Jet was devised to get around contracts bargained in good faith and is a threat to the hard working pilots at Trans-States Airlines. Go-Jet is just another airline dedicated to the downward spiral of pilot wages and benefits. The absence of these will cause a decline in enrollment at UND and I do not wish for this to happen. I do realize that placement is a difficult job and I do not wish for our graduates to be jobless, however Go-Jet is not a good choice for our new graduates. I am confident that you will make the morally right and ethically sound decision.

Sincerely,


#########

Thanks PilotSkyDiver.

 

[labbats]

Thanks for rejecting the job....got two of my friends hired that came down thursday and friday....we only want positive people that love to fly.

Nice work, Waterskiheavy. That's as original as Guppykiller. I expect a bit more out of you.

 

[Palmtree Pilot]

Just the regionals? See what some of the majors are going to get away with!<cough>NWA<cough><ScamJet><cough>Compass>

Nu

And there are already people on this board jumping at the bit to get hired at that place. Talk about a bunch of mindless people in this industry.

PtP

 

[JumpCaptain]

I just heard from a source that TSA Holdings is considering canceling any further plans of growth through HoJets. Apparently they're having a really tough time getting enough pilots.

Has anybody else heard this?

 

[Night_Flight]

http://www.go-jetpilots.com/ (Delete the - )

I spoke with a few UND'ers and most know better not to get involved with Blow-Jetz and are not pleased they will be on campus. I'm sure some will still be jumping on the opportunity to fly a jet for possibly the worse company out there with a horrible contract, instead of waiting for a good company. I guess they have to learn somehow (poor souls). I wish all pilots do not join a company who is poisining the aviation industry.

My guess is Blowme-Jet is going to UND because one Mgmt. Pilot Sanjay Ramesh Patel, crossed over to Bendover-Jet and he represented Trans States Airlines at the UND SAMA Conference a few years ago. These scum hope to attract pilots who do not know the 121 regioinal industry.

I hope UND Pilots treat them with little respect and bring up the fact that they are hurting many of their good alumni friends who are at the regionals now!

-Night_Flight-

 

[BoilerUP]

This May will mark the third year that TSA has recruited low-time pilots from Purdue. All seniors and recent alums got an email last fall about GJ hiring Purdue grads at the same times as TSA, which was a slap in the face to the 40+ recently graduated employed by TSA. GJ even shared a table with TSA at our job fair last fall, but I heard got next to zero attention. Alums employed at TSA would have made an appearance, but even those off probation were afraid of being unjustly fired

Last I'd heard, no recent Purdue grads had gone to GJ. Current students and recent alums made it a point to educate those graduating to explain the reprecussions of accepting such employment. Don't let their naivity about the industry or SJS or whatever get them somewhere they might regret. Good luck!

 

[JumpCaptain]

This May will mark the third year that TSA has recruited low-time pilots from Purdue. All seniors and recent alums got an email last fall about GJ hiring Purdue grads at the same times as TSA, which was a slap in the face to the 40+ recently graduated employed by TSA. GJ even shared a table with TSA at our job fair last fall, but I heard got next to zero attention. Alums employed at TSA would have made an appearance, but even those off probation were afraid of being unjustly fired

Last I'd heard, no recent Purdue grads had gone to GJ. Current students and recent alums made it a point to educate those graduating to explain the reprecussions of accepting such employment. Don't let their naivity about the industry or SJS or whatever get them somewhere they might regret. Good luck!

I just spoke to some of my friends who are still there. Apparently, everyone in the flight program is well informed. nobody is interested.

 

[punkpilot48]

I just heard from a source that TSA Holdings is considering canceling any further plans of growth through HoJets. Apparently they're having a really tough time getting enough pilots.

Has anybody else heard this?

I know they just completed a full class and another bigger size class started this last week. But maybe thats it. Most guys look liked older guys who might have been coming from FlyI but I didnt bother to talk to any of them.

 

[waterski_heavy]

I just heard from a source that TSA Holdings is considering canceling any further plans of growth through HoJets. Apparently they're having a really tough time getting enough pilots.

Has anybody else heard this?

Your wrong on many counts......we just finished a class of twenty...have a class of 24 now... a class of 24 start at the end of april and interviewing for a class of 20 plus to start mid may.....and yes....there is one University of Purdue and several job fair guys in the latest graduating class but make whatever false rumors and lies you want to....not going hurt us at all. One other point....it is hilarious when someone claims to have reliable sources about what is going on with our company and then they end with "has anyone else heard this?" If your sources where so reliable why would you need to get it comfirmed...obviously just trying to once again try a different angle to make a new airline with a great future look bad....nice try.

 

[FlyHIToo]

I just heard from a source that TSA Holdings is considering canceling any further plans of growth through HoJets. Apparently they're having a really tough time getting enough pilots.

Has anybody else heard this?

If you have no clue what you are talking about don't talk.

GJ is geting 5 more planes in June. An have financing on 5 more to exercise in the 4th quarter. There are 50 pilots in training and 20 more scheduled for May. That will put them at 150+ pilots.

 

[johndt]

If you have no clue what you are talking about don't talk.

GJ is geting 5 more planes in June. An have financing on 5 more to exercise in the 4th quarter. There are 50 pilots in training and 20 more scheduled for May. That will put them at 150+ pilots.

And don't forget all the EMB-145 transitions they have to get done before next year. Also, there's all that NWA emb190 flying they're trying to get. And there might be a job landing on babies that they're totally stoked about. I'm trying to get an interview right now!

Hey, waterskiers, you're throwing your careers away shunning the landing on babies industry; it's the way the industry's going, retards.

 

[jetfo]

I love it. Only one GJ supporter, or should I call it rationalizer, out this entire thread. There will be a few more of the "usual suspects" who chime in, but lets keep the numbers in our favor.....FU*CK G0JETS PILOTS. I could care less about management, it's become painfully obvious that management everwhere is out to get us, my beef is with the pilots....FUUUCCCKK G0Jets pilots.

Your beef should be with TSA management!

 

[jetfo]

People considering g0jets,

You would be WELL advised NOT to go there. You will not get my jumpseat while you work there, nor will you get a nod or a smile or a nice conversation out of me. I know of far too many others who also share the same strong feelings about the legal maneuvering around TSA pilots and the artificial (and temporary) leg up GJ pilots are getting at their direct expense - Many other pilots will also make your life very difficult should you ever need a ride or a helping hand.

Maybe you should read the directive from Capt. Woerth at ALPA national if you are, or would like to remain an ALPA member!

 

[jetfo]

http://www.go-jetpilots.com/ (Delete the - )

I spoke with a few UND'ers and most know better not to get involved with Blow-Jetz and are not pleased they will be on campus. I'm sure some will still be jumping on the opportunity to fly a jet for possibly the worse company out there with a horrible contract, instead of waiting for a good company.

Such as TSA I imagine ?!?

 

[jetfo]

I'll let you guys know what the reply is...

Dear Mr. P#######,

My name is ##########, a UND Graduate and a former member of SAMA. It has come to my attention that you have invited Go-Jet Airlines, (A Division of Trans-States Holdings) to this years SAMA conference. I would like to inform you of some details about this airline of which you may not be aware.

In 2003-2004 the Trans-States airlines MEC was in negotiations with management over possible new flying with EMB-170 aircraft for the United Airlines codeshare, which ultimately fell through and the aircraft went to Chautauqua Airlines. Chautauqua and Trans-States both fly for American Airlines as American Connection. After Chautauqua started receiving aircraft it was brought to their attention they were in violation of the American Pilots (APA) scope clause of their contract, which states (paraphrasing) no subsidiary of AA or codeshare Partner of AA shall operate aircraft larger than 50 seats. After they were made aware of this they decided to create another airline for the EMB-170's and Republic Airlines was born. Chautauqua worked closely with their pilot group and through tough but fair negotiations they were successful in reaching a deal which would allow the pilot seniority list to be integrated with this new airline (and also subsequent airlines such as Shuttle America and Mid Atlantic). Having seen the problems at Chautauqua the Management at Trans-States Airlines decided to be proactive and Go-Jet Airlines was born.

Instead of working with the pilot group at Trans-States Airlines to come to a mutual agreement over seniority rights at this new airline the management team at Trans-States airlines decided that since this was a "totally separate" airline it did not have any obligation to honor our contract. (Our Contract Says in Section 1 in the section on scope "The Company shall not create an Alter-Ego to circumvent any section of this contract.") I am not a lawyer but the word company was weak and the NMB decided that the company was not Trans-States Holdings, but Trans-States Airlines. Trans-States Holdings continues to be a holding company only with no real offices and actually the business certificate was revoked by the state of Missouri in 2003 for not re-filing paperwork. Trans-States did make one offer to the pilot group in the form of concessions and a contract extension in which 75% of the voting pilots turned down. To this date no other offer has been proposed.

The University of North Dakota stands for integrity and honesty, not shady business practices and loopholes. I am proud to be a UND graduate, but when I hear about my university advertising and supporting Go-Jet Airlines I am dismayed. I urge you not to support Go-Jet airlines. Go-Jet was devised to get around contracts bargained in good faith and is a threat to the hard working pilots at Trans-States Airlines. Go-Jet is just another airline dedicated to the downward spiral of pilot wages and benefits. The absence of these will cause a decline in enrollment at UND and I do not wish for this to happen. I do realize that placement is a difficult job and I do not wish for our graduates to be jobless, however Go-Jet is not a good choice for our new graduates. I am confident that you will make the morally right and ethically sound decision.

Sincerely,

Just wondering what you are going to advise UND and it's grads to do when Compass starts hiring. And, for that matter, how about Republic taking US Airways mainline jobs. But, I am sure you have no problem with that.

Do you GJ bashers ever realize how self centered you are. You are not the only guys who are having problems. And, frankly, most couldn't care less about TSA and GJ.

Get a life, get your time and move on to a real airline, if you haven't screwed yourself before then by waging this pointless and losing battle. You keep up this jumpseat war and you may find yourself blacklisted and stuck at TSA.

 

[redbook]

Get a life, get your time and move on to a real airline, if you haven't screwed yourself before then by waging this pointless and losing battle. You keep up this jumpseat war and you may find yourself blacklisted and stuck at TSA.

Good advice, you should follow your own. Too late, you already screwed yourself and are stuck at g0jet.

"get your time"
"move on to a real airline"
you should charge for that kind of career advice.

classic.

 

[johndt]

Maybe you should read the directive from Capt. Woerth at ALPA national if you are, or would like to remain an ALPA member!

You'll never get my jumpseat.

 

[BoilerUP]

Your wrong on many counts......we just finished a class of twenty...have a class of 24 now... a class of 24 start at the end of april and interviewing for a class of 20 plus to start mid may.....and yes....there is one University of Purdue and several job fair guys in the latest graduating class but make whatever false rumors and lies you want to....not going hurt us at all.

Good thing there is no such thing as the "University of Purdue". I do know there was one alum who was at Eagle for many years that went to GJ but I have not heard of any recent grads going there, and I will believe such only when I hear a name from somebody that has seen this person with their own eyes. Feel free to PM me a name, if you are so bold...

Whats the story with UAL J4J at HoJets, anyway?

 

[theo]

I'll let you guys know what the reply is...

Dear Mr. P#######,

My name is ##########, a UND Graduate and a former member of SAMA. It has come to my attention that you have invited Go-Jet Airlines, (A Division of Trans-States Holdings) to this years SAMA conference. I would like to inform you of some details about this airline of which you may not be aware.

In 2003-2004 the Trans-States airlines MEC was in negotiations with management over possible new flying with EMB-170 aircraft for the United Airlines codeshare, which ultimately fell through and the aircraft went to Chautauqua Airlines. Chautauqua and Trans-States both fly for American Airlines as American Connection. After Chautauqua started receiving aircraft it was brought to their attention they were in violation of the American Pilots (APA) scope clause of their contract, which states (paraphrasing) no subsidiary of AA or codeshare Partner of AA shall operate aircraft larger than 50 seats. After they were made aware of this they decided to create another airline for the EMB-170's and Republic Airlines was born. Chautauqua worked closely with their pilot group and through tough but fair negotiations they were successful in reaching a deal which would allow the pilot seniority list to be integrated with this new airline (and also subsequent airlines such as Shuttle America and Mid Atlantic). Having seen the problems at Chautauqua the Management at Trans-States Airlines decided to be proactive and Go-Jet Airlines was born.

Instead of working with the pilot group at Trans-States Airlines to come to a mutual agreement over seniority rights at this new airline the management team at Trans-States airlines decided that since this was a "totally separate" airline it did not have any obligation to honor our contract. (Our Contract Says in Section 1 in the section on scope "The Company shall not create an Alter-Ego to circumvent any section of this contract.") I am not a lawyer but the word company was weak and the NMB decided that the company was not Trans-States Holdings, but Trans-States Airlines. Trans-States Holdings continues to be a holding company only with no real offices and actually the business certificate was revoked by the state of Missouri in 2003 for not re-filing paperwork. Trans-States did make one offer to the pilot group in the form of concessions and a contract extension in which 75% of the voting pilots turned down. To this date no other offer has been proposed.

The University of North Dakota stands for integrity and honesty, not shady business practices and loopholes. I am proud to be a UND graduate, but when I hear about my university advertising and supporting Go-Jet Airlines I am dismayed. I urge you not to support Go-Jet airlines. Go-Jet was devised to get around contracts bargained in good faith and is a threat to the hard working pilots at Trans-States Airlines. Go-Jet is just another airline dedicated to the downward spiral of pilot wages and benefits. The absence of these will cause a decline in enrollment at UND and I do not wish for this to happen. I do realize that placement is a difficult job and I do not wish for our graduates to be jobless, however Go-Jet is not a good choice for our new graduates. I am confident that you will make the morally right and ethically sound decision.

Sincerely,


#########

Since UND is still advertising for Go Jet. I guess they decided it was morally right and ethical to do so. Just like most everyone but the zealots had concluded long ago. Good luck to those who choose Go Jet as a career. I still think you will be on the beginning of a large expansion.

 

[redbook]

I still think you will be on the beginning of a large expansion.

I still think you will be shortening your career.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your beef should be with TSA management!

AND the scumbag gayjet pilots that accept a job that hurts the entire industry AND enables TSA management.

It is funny that you say we should have a beef with TSA management, but yet YOU enable their unscrupulous practices by accepting this subpar position. fag

 

[Smarta$$]

Just wondering what you are going to advise UND and it's grads to do when Compass starts hiring. And, for that matter, how about Republic taking US Airways mainline jobs. But, I am sure you have no problem with that.

Do you GJ bashers ever realize how self centered you are. You are not the only guys who are having problems. And, frankly, most couldn't care less about TSA and GJ.

Get a life, get your time and move on to a real airline, if you haven't screwed yourself before then by waging this pointless and losing battle. You keep up this jumpseat war and you may find yourself blacklisted and stuck at TSA.

I see you are referencing Compass, implying that it is the same situation as gayjets. Compass is a totally different situation because it would be VOTED in by the NWA pilots you fag. NOT against their will.

 

[temcgrew]

Since UND is still advertising for Go Jet. I guess they decided it was morally right and ethical to do so.

It's fine for a University to advertise for G0jet, nothing unethical there. The pilots there should educate themselves on the company and make an informed decision about the begining of thier carreer. Just because the college is promoting it doesn't make it a smart carreer move.

 

[Lav Service]

There is a letter being sent to the mass email system that the flight instructor’s use as well as many members of the management team there. The letter explains how GJ was started and why their company has created so much controversy. It is being signed by pilots from (among others) ExpressJet, Air Wisconsin, American Eagle, SkyWest, Horizon (Teamsters), Peidmont, and Shuttle America (Republic Airways Holdings). All of whome are UND alumni. According to what I've been told UND alum at FedEx have expressed interest in drafting a letter also. There is also a statement by US Airways being sent that stresses their opinion that GJ is a union-busting whipsaw and not to seek employment there. Many of those who are signing the letter are also writing personal letters to many people at the school. It may not stop all people from going to work for GJ. But they will go in with their eyes open at least.

To the people at GJ who will not like this. First of all that's tough. Second, every person I spoke with regarding signing this letter immediately agreed to do so. They stated that, in their opinion, you are an alter-ego carrier that must not be supported in any way. Many of these people (particularly those flying at certain teamsters airlines) stated that they regret that they even share the same union with you. Hmmmmm.

So jetfo:

"Do you GJ bashers ever realize how self centered you are. You are not the only guys who are having problems. And, frankly, most couldn't care less about TSA and GJ."

I don't think so chump.

 

[twflys]

Geez, the TSA guys really have it out for G0jet. I've got plenty of buddies at other Major and Regional Airlines- NOT A SINGLE ONE has expressed anything in a negative light about G0Jet. This war is totally mute.

 

[TSA Pilot]

Your wrong on many counts......we just finished a class of twenty...have a class of 24 now... a class of 24 start at the end of april and interviewing for a class of 20 plus to start mid may.....and yes....there is one University of Purdue and several job fair guys in the latest graduating class but make whatever false rumors and lies you want to....not going hurt us at all. One other point....it is hilarious when someone claims to have reliable sources about what is going on with our company and then they end with "has anyone else heard this?" If your sources where so reliable why would you need to get it comfirmed...obviously just trying to once again try a different angle to make a new airline with a great future look bad....nice try.

You may have a class of 24 now but the rest of your information is not true. Now who is making up false statements to make themselves look better?? Can you prove all of this Waterski_heavy AKA FlyHIToo....(you have to use 2 different names to make it look like there is more than one person on this board in support of G0jet). The only "options" you have past the orginal five is the option to supersize your fries with your order at Mcdonalds. You guys cant fill the positions you have... and if you do its by the skin of your teeth, with some of the lowest quality candidates in the business. You know it, I know it, and the world knows it. Yet you come on here and try to pretend that life at G0jet is all rosie and you have resume's to the ceiling.. Give us all a break! We are not stupid. Face it you made a bad decision and will pay for it when Trans States negotiates its contract. Mark my words.

 

[twflys]

Actually, it is true. G0jet isn't having ANY trouble filling the classes, I know- I've got friends who recently got hired on and there isn't room for them in the next class... too many lies on this board.

 

[redbook]

Actually, it is true. G0jet isn't having ANY trouble filling the classes, I know- I've got friends who recently got hired on and there isn't room for them in the next class... too many lies on this board.

just say its you. too many lies. Funny.

G0jet has a HUGE waiting list. Sure. Thousands of well qualified apps on file.