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[fokkerjet]

I've worked at a couple of large flight departments; one that factored in "face-time" in order to get ahead, and another that doesn't want to see your ugly mug around the office unless you're flying. The "face-time" department had so many B.S. managers "hanging around" playing manager that those left without a neat little title ended up picking up the load by flying both the "managers" trips along with their own. In the other department without "face-time", you are provided with no titles, but they offer you the freedom to work from home, plus, nobody else is out flying your trip because your too busy getting "face-time".

Playing the game is "old school" and nobody should have to go into the office just to go there and be seen. This job requires enough time away from home as it is, and as long as I fulfill all my assigned duties, who cares where I perform them from as long as they are satifactory to the department.

 

[semperfido]

agreed...

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

agreed...

agreed too.

Even though I don't work as many days as the rest of our corporate employees, my job IS life and death and has WAY longer days. Even when I'm not flying, I'm thinking about my next flight or my last flight. Been doing it for over 30 years and that part doesn't get any easier. When I'm on, I'm REALLY on. When I'm off, let me be off.

Ace (off at the moment)

 

[semperfido]

"life and death" "really on"...i don't get it---must not be the typical corp gig because i sure never feel that way. but i do like my off time too. which has been bountiful. and i do sometimes go "in" , just so they don't forget what i look like.

 

[G4G5]

In a lot of these must show your face, tied to your preformance bonus, larger departments, it's part of "playing the game". HR/"Downtown" wants to see proper utilization of there man power resources. Which to them means days worked and that falls on the AD or CP to justify it to HR.

Now in most of these types of departments the chief pillot and or aviation director is required to be there every day. Now it becomes, if I am here, you are here. The insecure mgr or lazy mgr types feel the need to justify and delegate. Which equates to additional projects, which equates to additional face time.

Whenever I have worked for a place like this I have found that the best course of action is to go into the boss and ask him how many days he expects to see each person fly each month. Then if I am meeting that requirements (14, 15 or 16 days) I am free to avoid the additional projects. Ex, If it looks like I am only going to fly 10 days for the month then I come in once a week and do what ever project/tack I am assigned. I have found in the past it's better to come up with your own idea, then wait to be assigned one.

Currently I am in a 3 pilot, 1fa, 1 tech, single plane operation so we have no choice. If you aren't doing it, it doesn't get done.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I've worked at a couple of large flight departments; one that factored in "face-time" in order to get ahead, and another that doesn't want to see your ugly mug around the office unless you're flying. The "face-time" department had so many B.S. managers "hanging around" playing manager that those left without a neat little title ended up picking up the load by flying both the "managers" trips along with their own. In the other department without "face-time", you are provided with no titles, but they offer you the freedom to work from home, plus, nobody else is out flying your trip because your too busy getting "face-time".

Playing the game is "old school" and nobody should have to go into the office just to go there and be seen. This job requires enough time away from home as it is, and as long as I fulfill all my assigned duties, who cares where I perform them from as long as they are satifactory to the department.

I think the old "face time" thing is really old school. Again, I know I wont miss that generation as they near retirement. Nothing worse than feeling like one has to go sit at the hangar and have lunch because "face time" is needed....

If its a slow slow month, sure, there are a few things Im sure one can and needs to get done at the office....but to hang out?....get a life.

If you take on a project that requires office time or want to get into the operation in hopes of a management role.., hey - your choice- and you deserve a crack at a few extra bucks. To some its worth it. Others are just pilots...nothing wrong with that - they dont need to be punished for simply flying airplanes.

The way I see it is that a slow month can often be followed by a 20+ day busy month so dont worry too much about "looking busy" to HR or a manager who CHOSE to drive in each day.