G-VSP South Florida????????

[Gulfstream 200]

G200--YOU YOUNG PUNK! Soon as I can find my glasses, my cane and hook up my Depends, I'll come over there and kick your a$$! TC

Bring er' on old man!!!! -- I know, I know, punk kids these days and those new fangled computers..

My favorite with the crusty old Gulfstream crowd.....

when they call it a "Grumman"....

let it go pops, let it go..

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[Gulfstream 200]

He used the example of 50k (initial training x 3 pilots = 150K..) Just proving that the training wouldn't be the 4% of the annual budget if they had no attrition.

The small screen on the Dell 700m must be screwing with you.

I got it now..(I guess???)..I blame the time zone Im in...anyways...I thougth the 150K was salary..

Another thing to consider when complaining about training is that the GV they bought probably came with 4 FSI initails, but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......) Then 3 years later when they all retire or die....he complains about hiring and typing a "young punk"..who is "just going to leave in a few years"....

Thats it!!

Im voting for the age 50 rule in aviation.

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PS - hey h25b - thats a real cute kid you got there!!!

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

I think the 150K was salary for each pilot -- and we all hope thats annual!!

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Of course, people, 200 is correct. 150K per year not including training and benefits.

And, I really hate this ongoing bull about good pilots don't leave good jobs at good companies. I have. Most everyone I know has, for one reason or another. I would ask ANY of these blokes who continually say this: How many jobs have you had? If the answer is 1, then I stand corrected (many pilots like to say that ALL of the jobs the left were crappy, it makes them feel better).

Now, I can't say that I've ever left a gig right after being typed, but I've left some pretty sweet deals for various reasons.

Oh yea, and all of us OLD Gulfstream drivers don't have one foot in the grave just yet. SORRY.

Ace

 

[AA717driver]

....didn't you take a viagra a couple of hours ago? Maybe you should just stay home tonight. You probably have better things to do!

I wish I had a reason to take a viagra tonight. She's in WVa visiting relatives. I take one of those things now and I'll also need an ace bandage... TC

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Fly safe[/b]

I'll I can say again is WOW. First off, you need to calm down and try to say what you have to say in short, succint sentences. Second, you keep saying 'primary', I think you mean 'principal'. I don't mind a lashing, but give your fingers a rest.

All I can say is that I've seen your attitude before, and many a flight department has gone to charter or fractional because of the whole "he can afford a GV, so buying the most expensive jacks is just a drop in the bucket". And you think I'VE got a bad attitude? I just spend my owners money responsibly.

As for that second paragraph (manifesto), it sounds like you need a department manager. Line pilots negotiating fuel prices, training, etc? Small time.

And yes, our GV came with 6 slots at FSI, but not everyone buys a brand-new plane (this thread is asking about a GVSP, there is no such thing).

Ace

 

[h25b]

I got it now..(I guess???)..I blame the time zone Im in...anyways...I thougth the 150K was salary..

Another thing to consider when complaining about training is that the GV they bought probably came with 4 FSI initails, but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......) Then 3 years later when they all retire or die....he complains about hiring and typing a "young punk"..who is "just going to leave in a few years"....

Thats it!!

Im voting for the age 50 rule in aviation.

.



PS - hey h25b - thats a real cute kid you got there!!!

Quite possibly, the funniest post ever... Especially when mentioning the the usage of "Grumman." I've actually been told after not even being considered for a Gulfstream IV position that he had several people that had "Grumman" time.

WTF???

 

[h25b]

Oh yea, and all of us OLD Gulfstream drivers don't have one foot in the grave just yet. SORRY.

Ace

That may be, but it's not keeping us buzzards from circling anyway...

 

[semperfido]

but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......)

you would do away with my favorite part of FSI?

and

70 is the new 50

 

[Gulfstream 200]

you would do away with my favorite part of FSI?

and

70 is the new 50

Oh no, semper...I KNOW you're not one of THEM...

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[semperfido]

if i am not one now, it won't be long---- for any of us

...and those grummans are awesome

 

[LXJ31]

If you hire three new pilots, your numbers are correct for year 1, Ace. For every following year, its only the cost of recurrent. Not only that, but if you retain quality people, they will become more efficient in executing their job, thereby adding to savings over someone fresh off the street.

 

[757BBJ_Capt]

You thought wrong; I meant primary, so I used the word primary. Do I need to use the word principal? Do they not mean one in the same? Because I did not use the word you might use am I wrong? Easy with the ego.

Having line pilots working on things such as fuel prices, training, ect is small time? Hardly. These guys come in at their own discretion and do these things. This all got started because the pilots asked if there were inhouse projects they could work on, not because we got cheap or lazy. Only 1/4th of our pilots participate in doing these things. You are just a fool. These pilots get paid extra and are assigned a management title to come in and do things that give them the experience needed for them to go out on their own one day and run a 1st class flight deparment. Most will probably never leave, but they have this experience in their back pocket just in case. Small time? No. Efficient? Yes

I'll I can say again is WOW. First off, you need to calm down and try to say what you have to say in short, succint sentences. Second, you keep saying 'primary', I think you mean 'principal'. I don't mind a lashing, but give your fingers a rest.

All I can say is that I've seen your attitude before, and many a flight department has gone to charter or fractional because of the whole "he can afford a GV, so buying the most expensive jacks is just a drop in the bucket". And you think I'VE got a bad attitude? I just spend my owners money responsibly.

As for that second paragraph (manifesto), it sounds like you need a department manager. Line pilots negotiating fuel prices, training, etc? Small time.

And yes, our GV came with 6 slots at FSI, but not everyone buys a brand-new plane (this thread is asking about a GVSP, there is no such thing).

Ace

 

[AA717driver]

I've heard both primary and principal used interchangably.

We have extra duties at my company. I have not yet been assigned one because today is my one year anniversary and they don't have any duties that are unassigned. That won't hurt my pay.

If I turn down an assignment or take one and do a half-a$$ed job at it and get it taken away, it will certainly be reflected in my pay. That's just the way my company works. I just figure it's the way corporate is. We don't have to wash anyone's dog or car but doing aviation-related duties is not outside the scope of reasonable requirements of the position.

JMO.TC

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I think a few extra duties are fairly normal in corp, and those who choose to spend the extra time doing it should be compansated extra..however, those who chose not too shouldn't be punsihed either.

Everyone should get paid to be a pilot, those who take on stupid titles like "Director of Training" or "Director of Fuel Sales" (or whatever...) should get something extra. Some like to have their hands in the daily operations, some dont. I for one hate to be idle...If Im not multi-tasking, Im bored.

But of course...

If someone has one of those corp jobs where you make TOP BUCKS, have great job security, and never have to do ANYTHING except show up and fly, please let me know where to send a resume.

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[fokkerjet]

With the "extra duties" mentioned, why would I have to come into the hangar to do them? If you want "face-time", make an appointment, otherwise if the job can be done on the phone, or computer, let me pick when and where I want to do it and judge my bonus based on results.

 

[Gearmunky]

Our flight department is small (6) group of guys and we all do a little something in the office to help things go smooth. I think that's a reasonable request and it's factored into our reviews when the time comes. In the mean time we get lunch and things like that.

I also look at it like Chief Pilot training, like 757/BBJ Capt. said. If I leave here I still have some out of the cockpit skills to have when it comes down to getting hired somewhere else. I don't think any job in this business is permanent so I learn all I can while I have the opportunity. A lot of things can be learned hanging around the office.

G200, I don't know how true it is, but I hear the P&G guys got it pretty good

757/BBJ Capt.- You're a rare breed, it's nice to know that people in the corporate world do really exist that think the way you do.

 

[fokkerjet]

question???

Can anyone give a valid reason why my bonus should be tied to how anytimes I'm seen in the office verses based on my job performance, whether it's my main job as a pilot, or a secondary job that can be performed away from the office at home or on the road? Just curious

 

[semperfido]

you have to "play the game"-- they need the perception that you are doing your part. sometimes that is hard for them to get, if they never see you. i don't advocate going to hangar every day either. play the game and make it easy on yourself. the bonus deal is just part of the game.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

You thought wrong; I meant primary, so I used the word primary. Do I need to use the word principal? Do they not mean one in the same? Because I did not use the word you might use am I wrong? Easy with the ego.

Having line pilots working on things such as fuel prices, training, ect is small time? Hardly. These guys come in at their own discretion and do these things. This all got started because the pilots asked if there were inhouse projects they could work on, not because we got cheap or lazy. Only 1/4th of our pilots participate in doing these things. You are just a fool. These pilots get paid extra and are assigned a management title to come in and do things that give them the experience needed for them to go out on their own one day and run a 1st class flight deparment. Most will probably never leave, but they have this experience in their back pocket just in case. Small time? No. Efficient? Yes

You’re right, and I’m sorry in advance for the grammar lesson. Principle and primary can be used if you saying “a principle, or a primary”. As soon as you say THE primary, as a title, it is incorrect. When referring to the boss, owner, etc., you would call them the principle.



Is your flight department IS-BAO or ISO 9002? Do you have a defined training program to ‘become’ the fuel negotiator, hotel reservationist, etc.? Is there even an employee manual that clearly defines each of these extra duties and how they are distributed? Nothing wrong with efficiently utilizing your assets, and I’m by no means a premadonna who only wants to fly the plane, however, small time is when it is ad-hoc with no organized, thought out, and documented plan. Imagine if we were to be flight trained that way.



Ace

 

[semperfido]

i personally like "small time" - by your def- i have worked at both. it just depends on the people and the resources. adhoc with 3 G's is kinda fun