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Gulfstream 200 said:
I think the 150K was salary for each pilot -- and we all hope thats annual!!

:D .

He used the example of 50k (initial training x 3 pilots = 150K..) Just proving that the training wouldn't be the 4% of the annual budget if they had no attrition.

The small screen on the Dell 700m must be screwing with you.:)
 
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G200--YOU YOUNG PUNK! Soon as I can find my glasses, my cane and hook up my Depends, I'll come over there and kick your a$$! :D TC
 
Ace-of-the-Base said:
Wow! What an outlook. My comments:

1) If a type in the GV is 50 grand, and the budget for the GV department is 3.7 million per year (lease payment 200K / mo, 400 hours @ $1,500 doc, 3 pilots @ 150K, hangar 60K, insurance 200K), the 3 type ratings would be 4% of the annual budget (as you can see, we've run these numbers. Anytime you tell a rich person (AKA boss) that 50K is like finding a penny, you just sound ignorant.

If you have managed to acquire a GV and 2 pilot training slots and 1 AMT slot were not part of the deal, then you just do not know what you are doing and have no business being trusted with the logistics involved in the process. I would not use the analogy of finding a penny when trying to explain this to the primary, and you know that. I've been doing this long enough to know things like that. If you read my post you took away from it that I was commenting on how a lot of "old school" DOs operate, not the person writing the check. If you are looking at a GV, how much a type cost should not be a factor in getting it. It's the cost of doing business; period. If you want to play, you have to pay. Do you not want the pilots trained? Is that an area in which you want to cut corners? It sounds like your company looked at the GV and discovered that they could not resonably afford to operate it. There is no shame in that, but no reason to be bitter about it.

2) What other important 'projects' is a pilot working on? I don't know about you, but my job's pretty straight forward and defined.

My job and that of the other pilots working in the department have well defined duties as well. If your attitude is I am a pilot, so I only fly then I go home, well, that says a lot about you and your work ethic. Not that I think I owe you an explaniation, but I am going to answer your question in hopes of teaching you. Other important projects include, researching the use of EFBs, negotiation of fuel discounts, overflight permits, negotiating training contracts, stream-lining the operation to make it as efficient as possible, securing alternative uplift options in our most traveled cities, establishing safety procedures (on-going), revising our disaster plans, [font=&quot]continuity of management travel policies, [/font]policy revisions (spouse/dependent traveling with company on a space availabe basis, ect), and procurement of pilot tools such as laptops, cell phone, ect. just to name a few of the things that an operation the size of ours has to deal with. Do I need to go on? So yes, we like to see our pilots in the office from time to time. Is it required, no. Will you get fired if you don't come in, no. Do we care if you come in and do other projects, no. Will your bonus be multiplied by the # of days per week you average in the office, yes. Will your hard work get noticed, yes. If you ever leave us will you have the skills and confidence to run your own place, yes. Would we hire a pilot with an attitude like yours, No. Please send me your name and the names of your friends that are just like you so I can stay on the look out.
Ace


Fly safe
 
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757BBJ_Capt said:
My job and that of the other pilots working in the department have well defined duties as well. If your attitude is I am a pilot, so I only fly then I go home, well, that says a lot about you and your work ethic. Not that I think I owe you an explaniation, but I am going to answer your question in hopes of teaching you. Other important projects include, researching the use of EFBs, negotiation of fuel discounts, overflight permits, negotiating training contracts, stream-lining the operation to make it as efficient as possible, securing alternative uplift options in our most traveled cities, establishing safety procedures (on-going), revising our disaster plans, [font=&quot]continuity of management travel policies, [/font]policy revisions (spouse/dependent traveling with company on a space availabe basis, ect), and procurement of pilot tools such as laptops, cell phone, ect. just to name a few of the things that an operation the size of ours has to deal with. Do I need to go on? So yes, we like to see our pilots in the office from time to time. Is it required, no. Will you get fired if you don't come in, no. Do we care if you come in and do other projects, no. Will your bonus be multiplied by the # of days per week you average in the office, yes. Will your hard work get noticed, yes. If you ever leave us will you have the skills and confidence to run your own place, yes. Would we hire a pilot with an attitude like yours, No. Please send me your name and the names of your friends that are just like you so I can stay on the look out.
Ace[/b]

jeeez...thanks for reminding me how much i appreciate my terrible work ethic :rolleyes: ps: drink more water;)
 
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Say old man......

AA717driver said:
G200--YOU YOUNG PUNK! Soon as I can find my glasses, my cane and hook up my Depends, I'll come over there and kick your a$$! :D TC

....didn't you take a viagra a couple of hours ago? Maybe you should just stay home tonight. You probably have better things to do!
 
AA717driver said:
G200--YOU YOUNG PUNK! Soon as I can find my glasses, my cane and hook up my Depends, I'll come over there and kick your a$$! :D TC


Bring er' on old man!!!! -- I know, I know, punk kids these days and those new fangled computers..

My favorite with the crusty old Gulfstream crowd.....

when they call it a "Grumman"....

let it go pops, let it go..

:D ..
 
h25b said:
He used the example of 50k (initial training x 3 pilots = 150K..) Just proving that the training wouldn't be the 4% of the annual budget if they had no attrition.

The small screen on the Dell 700m must be screwing with you.:)


I got it now..(I guess???)..I blame the time zone Im in...anyways...I thougth the 150K was salary..

Another thing to consider when complaining about training is that the GV they bought probably came with 4 FSI initails, but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......) Then 3 years later when they all retire or die....he complains about hiring and typing a "young punk"..who is "just going to leave in a few years"....

Thats it!!

Im voting for the age 50 rule in aviation.

:) .



PS - hey h25b - thats a real cute kid you got there!!!
 
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Gulfstream 200 said:
I think the 150K was salary for each pilot -- and we all hope thats annual!!

:D .

Of course, people, 200 is correct. 150K per year not including training and benefits.

And, I really hate this ongoing bull about good pilots don't leave good jobs at good companies. I have. Most everyone I know has, for one reason or another. I would ask ANY of these blokes who continually say this: How many jobs have you had? If the answer is 1, then I stand corrected (many pilots like to say that ALL of the jobs the left were crappy, it makes them feel better).

Now, I can't say that I've ever left a gig right after being typed, but I've left some pretty sweet deals for various reasons.

Oh yea, and all of us OLD Gulfstream drivers don't have one foot in the grave just yet. SORRY.

Ace
 
Jeff Helgeson said:
....didn't you take a viagra a couple of hours ago? Maybe you should just stay home tonight. You probably have better things to do!

I wish I had a reason to take a viagra tonight. She's in WVa visiting relatives. I take one of those things now and I'll also need an ace bandage... :eek: ;) TC
 
757BBJ_Capt said:
Fly safe[/b]

I'll I can say again is WOW. First off, you need to calm down and try to say what you have to say in short, succint sentences. Second, you keep saying 'primary', I think you mean 'principal'. I don't mind a lashing, but give your fingers a rest.

All I can say is that I've seen your attitude before, and many a flight department has gone to charter or fractional because of the whole "he can afford a GV, so buying the most expensive jacks is just a drop in the bucket". And you think I'VE got a bad attitude? I just spend my owners money responsibly.

As for that second paragraph (manifesto), it sounds like you need a department manager. Line pilots negotiating fuel prices, training, etc? Small time.

And yes, our GV came with 6 slots at FSI, but not everyone buys a brand-new plane (this thread is asking about a GVSP, there is no such thing).

Ace
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
I got it now..(I guess???)..I blame the time zone Im in...anyways...I thougth the 150K was salary..

Another thing to consider when complaining about training is that the GV they bought probably came with 4 FSI initails, but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......) Then 3 years later when they all retire or die....he complains about hiring and typing a "young punk"..who is "just going to leave in a few years"....

Thats it!!

Im voting for the age 50 rule in aviation.

:) .



PS - hey h25b - thats a real cute kid you got there!!!


Quite possibly, the funniest post ever... Especially when mentioning the the usage of "Grumman." I've actually been told after not even being considered for a Gulfstream IV position that he had several people that had "Grumman" time.

WTF???
 
Ace-of-the-Base said:
Oh yea, and all of us OLD Gulfstream drivers don't have one foot in the grave just yet. SORRY.

Ace

That may be, but it's not keeping us buzzards from circling anyway... :p
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
but the crusty old fart always takes his 64 yr old buddies with him - (so they can stop class every 20 mins with "war stories"......)

you would do away with my favorite part of FSI?

and

70 is the new 50
 
semperfido said:
you would do away with my favorite part of FSI?

and

70 is the new 50


Oh no, semper...I KNOW you're not one of THEM...

:) .
 
if i am not one now, it won't be long---- for any of us

...and those grummans are awesome
 
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