Furloughed Flexjet pilots recall rights extended to five years.

[smartelephant]

Oh... well, that's good. Hopefully I heard wrong then.

Maybe that's why they made the "agreement" only valid for two years.

Well, let be clear. I was told "yes" to longevity credit for sicktime, 401K, and vacation BUT TC did not know at the time of our conversation as to weather or not the credit would apply to pay. That's why I asked what you had heard. SO, it's entirely possible that we go back at year 1 pay, but get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year credit(wherever you fall) for vacation, sicktime, and 401K non-elective contribution. If that in fact became the scenerio, I could see it becoming an HR/payroll nightmare.

 

[smartelephant]

With as many calls from scheduling for overtime, I can't possibly see more furloughs period. Oh yeah, thanks all of you captains out there taking all the OT you can. I bet our furloughed guys really appreciate it. I know, you need the money... blah blah blah, rant off

These overtime days you speak of, are they paid at the regular daily rate since they're taken voluntarily, or are they actually paying the overtime daily rate? I'm assuming it's the regular daily rate. YES/NO?

 

[J3guy]

These overtime days you speak of, are they paid at the regular daily rate since they're taken voluntarily, or are they actually paying the overtime daily rate? I'm assuming it's the regular daily rate. YES/NO?

Its paid at the overtime daily rate

 

[Dooker]

I've turned down three OT days in the past three weeks.

Please, hold the applause. Please. No, seriously.

 

[SDCFI]

I've turned down three OT days in the past three weeks.

Please, hold the applause. Please. No, seriously.

Only one for me, how bout a golf clap?

 

[Flex-ible]

I'll applaud you both. Thanks from the 85.

 

[ArtVandalay]

I hope you guys get called back soon, but unfortunately I believe there will be more furloughes before recalls.

This is based on what information?

 

[bunman45]

This is based on what information?

Just my own opinion. I have no reliable sources or inside info. The fact is new sales are way down and owner flying is still off by about 14%. I hope I'm wrong because I'm getting very close to the bottom and I can feel the draft.

 

[jonjuan]

And owners are still leaving-some are going to cheaper avantair, and others to cheaper charter. avantair's record growth is coming from somewhere.
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...pansion-plans-as-avanti-deliveries-climb.html

NBAA 09: Avantair sets out expansion plans as Avanti deliveries climb
By Kate Sarsfield

Avantair took delivery at the show this morning of its 55th Avanti twin turboprop and announced plans to expand its regional network to cater for the soaring demand for its fractional and charter card programmes.
Avantair has established fixed-base operations and maintenance facilities at Clearwater in Florida, Caldwell, New Jersey and Camarillo, California and is establishing similar ventures in Texas, the upper Mid-West and the Bahamas.
Avantair is set to take delivery of nine Avanti IIs this year and up to 11 in 2010, said company chief executive Steve Santo at the show. "We have a further 52 aircraft on order which will delivered over the next four years," he said.

While share sales at the top four fractional programmes have fallen during the economic downturn, Avantair has seen its numbers soar, driven by the Avanti's understated appeal, versatility, low emissions and operating costs, said Santo.
Fractional and card sales in July and August alone smashed the company's forecast for the period.

 

[Rouge Warrior]

Yeah, agreements like that are not worth the price of the piece of paper they are printed on.

But it does give the weak mind a false-sense of security. And that is all mgt cares about in instances like this.

So you are saying a signed contract between an employee and his/her company has less value then a contract negotiated between a union and company?
Pull your head out of your butt please so you can smell how full of sh!t you are.

 

[CL300Pilot]

Lets not forget the FO's taking OT as well. I have come across several 300 crews where both the captain and fo were taking OT. The bottom line is that people are going to do what they feel they need to do to take care of their family.

With as many calls from scheduling for overtime, I can't possibly see more furloughs period. Oh yeah, thanks all of you captains out there taking all the OT you can. I bet our furloughed guys really appreciate it. I know, you need the money... blah blah blah, rant off

 

[bluepost]

So you are saying a signed contract between an employee and his/her company has less value then a contract negotiated between a union and company?
Pull your head out of your butt please so you can smell how full of sh!t you are.

When said contract has a clause stating it can be modified by the company at anytime, then yes....that is exactly what he is saying.

 

[luckydog]

Lets not forget the FO's taking OT as well. I have come across several 300 crews where both the captain and fo were taking OT. The bottom line is that people are going to do what they feel they need to do to take care of their family.

Taking care of their family doesn't make them special, that's why almost all of us work (I'm sure there are a few that fly because of the "glamour" and crew meals). Having to rationalize their sense of entitlement sure gets tough in a downturn.

 

[JokerFuel]

Upfront, I do not do overtime.....period. That being said due to sh!^^y airline plans on go gome days I have had three, thats right three OT days because the company couldnt get me home on day last. That has happened in the last month alone. Also, because of sim scheduling I had to work an extra day to complete re-current. I would never volunteer to screw a buddy on furlough over, and I mean absolutely never. It seems like things are starting to pick up, but take that with a grain of salt, it is only my opinion. That being said, I would venture a guess that re-calls may not be as far away as we are being led to believe. However this pans out, you can rest assured that the company will be scrambling to re-crew aircraft, as they will operate as lean as possible until they can no longer do so. I really dont mean to badmouth Flex. After all business is business and we are all just pawns in the game. For the most part, this is an incredible group of people to work with. However, if you are out there picking up OT on your own time, you are a ********************bird, plain and simple. We all want to have a successful carreer, but c'mon, are you willing to sell out for it? Good thoughts to each and everyone of you. Do the right thing, it will come back.......

 

[EatSleepFly]

If today's level of activity (and charters :angryfire) keeps up, I would have to believe there will be some recalls soon.

 

[GSXR600]

If today's level of activity (and charters :angryfire) keeps up, I would have to believe there will be some recalls soon.

Not a chance! In 2007 the amount hours flown on busy days, where just about even with the hours flown in 2008. One big difference is that we flew all those hours in 2008 with more pilots and airplanes on property. Now the pilot count today is pretty close to the pilot count ending 2007.
Considering this crappy economy and been very optimistic that their forecast hours expected to fly on this upcoming holidays, are the same compared to 07/08, I think they have just enough crews to cover their ends…….. No recalls but No furloughs either……. I think their prediction can only go as far six months from now. We probably have to wait till the next fiscal year when new reports are due to the big mama (Bombardier).

 

[EatSleepFly]

Not a chance!

Thanks, Fred. I didn't realize you frequented Flightinfo, good to know.

All I'm saying is, if service suffers to the point where owners start making noise about it, things will change.

 

[GSXR600]

And we all hope you are right!! It's the only way things can change in our favorite.

 

[Flex-ible]

Don't you expect to see a return to 16 day lines prior to recalls?

I'm not expecting to get a phone call before October 2010.

 

[can99]

I hedge my bet on mid 2011 call back, that is if Fred hasnt sold it off by then... but I see one CL60 going to France and one CL60 coming back from Spain right now on flight aware, impressive.