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Furloughed Flexjet pilots recall rights extended to five years.

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Define "recall rights" when neither party is operating under a CBA. . . Serious question.
 
I've seen many incorrect things on those APC pages in the past. However, I did hear this was mentioned by Reid at one of the meetings.
 
I saw this posted last week on APC so I asked TC about it and he told me it's not true. And they have no plans as of now to extend it. He also said they were having it removed.
 
smartelephant said:
I saw this posted last week on APC so I asked TC about it and he told me it's not true. And they have no plans as of now to extend it. He also said they were having it removed.
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Ironically, I spoke with an ACP recently that said they were indeed extending it. Who knows.
 
In the most recent employee meeting FR stated that their is not a 2 year limit to recalls and that essentially there is no set limit. If you are furloughed I suggest calling the office and ask what the deal is and mention the statement made by FR. Good luck!
 
Hopefully, for the sake of Flex Jet pilots, the 5 year recall rights thing becomes reality. I'm betting it's going to be a good 5 years before any of the big 3 fractionals (NetJets is next) even consider growing again and recall pilots. Shrink to profitability is the name of the game now. Just like the airlines have tried and we all have seen how well that's worked.
 
GSXR600 said:
The rights stated on the legal document written by company, stamped and notarize by all furlough pilots.
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While I believe the Company will do the right thing, don't forget this little gem that is the last line on that "stamped and notarized" document.

This policy may be modified or cancelled at any time at the discretion of Flexjet.

So, they can do anything they want, at any time they want to do it.

Hung
 
This is what the Anti-Union folk never seem to get...

Hung Start said:
While I believe the Company will do the right thing, don't forget this little gem that is the last line on that "stamped and notarized" document.

This policy may be modified or cancelled at any time at the discretion of Flexjet.

So, they can do anything they want, at any time they want to do it.

Hung
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If it ain't in a CONTRACT, it don't mean sh-t.


Your employment and/or any recall "rights" are at the Will of Management, thus the term: At Will Employment!

Only way around that: A Union and a Contract


Why do you think Companies fight so hard to keep the Unions out?


Freedom is NOT Free
 
Yeah, agreements like that are not worth the price of the piece of paper they are printed on.

But it does give the weak mind a false-sense of security. And that is all mgt cares about in instances like this.
 
ultrarunner said:
Yeah, agreements like that are not worth the price of the piece of paper they are printed on.

But it does give the weak mind a false-sense of security. And that is all mgt cares about in instances like this.
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I agree, but it wouldn't really make much sense to NOT bring the furloughs back as needed since we're a "known quantity." Besides, as I understand it, if/when we go back it'll be on first year pay so it's not like they'd save any money by throwing us under the bus (otherwise I'm sure FR would).
 
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SO you're saying that we won't get longevity credit for pay? Because when TC called me with the bad news, I asked him about years of service credit for sick time, vacation and 401K match and he said "yes" we would get the credit. That's if we ever go back of course.
 
smartelephant said:
SO you're saying that we won't get longevity credit for pay? Because when TC called me with the bad news, I asked him about years of service credit for sick time, vacation and 401K match and he said "yes" we would get the credit. That's if we ever go back of course.
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Oh... well, that's good. Hopefully I heard wrong then.

Maybe that's why they made the "agreement" only valid for two years. :rolleyes:
 
With as many calls from scheduling for overtime, I can't possibly see more furloughs period. Oh yeah, thanks all of you captains out there taking all the OT you can. I bet our furloughed guys really appreciate it. I know, you need the money... blah blah blah, rant off
 
EatSleepFly said:
Oh... well, that's good. Hopefully I heard wrong then.

Maybe that's why they made the "agreement" only valid for two years. :rolleyes:
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Well, let be clear. I was told "yes" to longevity credit for sicktime, 401K, and vacation BUT TC did not know at the time of our conversation as to weather or not the credit would apply to pay. That's why I asked what you had heard. SO, it's entirely possible that we go back at year 1 pay, but get 2nd, 3rd, or 4th year credit(wherever you fall) for vacation, sicktime, and 401K non-elective contribution. If that in fact became the scenerio, I could see it becoming an HR/payroll nightmare.
 
J3guy said:
With as many calls from scheduling for overtime, I can't possibly see more furloughs period. Oh yeah, thanks all of you captains out there taking all the OT you can. I bet our furloughed guys really appreciate it. I know, you need the money... blah blah blah, rant off
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These overtime days you speak of, are they paid at the regular daily rate since they're taken voluntarily, or are they actually paying the overtime daily rate? I'm assuming it's the regular daily rate. YES/NO?
 
smartelephant said:
These overtime days you speak of, are they paid at the regular daily rate since they're taken voluntarily, or are they actually paying the overtime daily rate? I'm assuming it's the regular daily rate. YES/NO?
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Its paid at the overtime daily rate
 
I've turned down three OT days in the past three weeks.

Please, hold the applause. Please. No, seriously.
 
ArtVandalay said:
This is based on what information?
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Just my own opinion. I have no reliable sources or inside info. The fact is new sales are way down and owner flying is still off by about 14%. I hope I'm wrong because I'm getting very close to the bottom and I can feel the draft.
 
And owners are still leaving-some are going to cheaper avantair, and others to cheaper charter. avantair's record growth is coming from somewhere.
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...pansion-plans-as-avanti-deliveries-climb.html

NBAA 09: Avantair sets out expansion plans as Avanti deliveries climb
By Kate Sarsfield

Avantair took delivery at the show this morning of its 55th Avanti twin turboprop and announced plans to expand its regional network to cater for the soaring demand for its fractional and charter card programmes.
Avantair has established fixed-base operations and maintenance facilities at Clearwater in Florida, Caldwell, New Jersey and Camarillo, California and is establishing similar ventures in Texas, the upper Mid-West and the Bahamas.
Avantair is set to take delivery of nine Avanti IIs this year and up to 11 in 2010, said company chief executive Steve Santo at the show. "We have a further 52 aircraft on order which will delivered over the next four years," he said.

While share sales at the top four fractional programmes have fallen during the economic downturn, Avantair has seen its numbers soar, driven by the Avanti's understated appeal, versatility, low emissions and operating costs, said Santo.
Fractional and card sales in July and August alone smashed the company's forecast for the period.
 
ultrarunner said:
Yeah, agreements like that are not worth the price of the piece of paper they are printed on.

But it does give the weak mind a false-sense of security. And that is all mgt cares about in instances like this.
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So you are saying a signed contract between an employee and his/her company has less value then a contract negotiated between a union and company?
Pull your head out of your butt please so you can smell how full of sh!t you are.
 

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