Frontier Pilots "What Do You Think?"

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Scenario: The two pilot groups agree on integration, so SWA goes ahead and buys Frontier. After the purchase is complete, the Frontier union doesn't like the deal, and then they ask for arbitration. From what I understand the arbitration would then take place.

I don't see how SWA can guarantee a deal BEFORE they complete the buy, that will stick after the buy is approved???

cliff
NBO

 

[Monster Buck]

Boy have I heard that before. Actually its more like, the deal is done with or without you BUT we are going to pretend you mean something and tell you its all hinged on you, so YOU go work it out first! And save us the trouble.

 

[shootr]

I don't live in DEN so a DEN commuter may have a different perspective but I think we would be completely agreeable to protecting the DEN base for F9 in their new seniority positions. If an F9 pilot holds FO, he shouldn't take a CA slot just because DEN is protected for F9. BTW, I also think you'd get pay protection and longevity for vacation and the SWA pay scale when you're on it.

I know this can be worked out. Let's focus on that. Oh, and prod our union leaders in the right direction.

shootr

 

[Vegaspilot99]

I commute to DEN and live in LAS so this would be a dream come true. Course I'm at Lynx so I'm not holding my breathe...fingers crossed though.

 

[RedDogC130]

how about staple with pay protection at current F9 rates or current SWA rates based on logevity at the SWA FO level whichever is higher, so a F9 Captain will be paid more than any SWA FO and stay that way until time comes to make captain and move to next higher pay level.....now 4 year F9 FO moves into 4 year SWA pay rate until they reach the "new" 5 year point at SWA in which they will move in to the 5 year pay level. Either way they will be making good money for being at the bottom of the list.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If LUV gets F9 does that create a bid-able DEN base for LUV pilots? With LUV fat on pilots...and a more senior group of pilots... where does that really put F9 pilots?

 

[atr42flyer]

I commute to DEN and live in LAS so this would be a dream come true. Course I'm at Lynx so I'm not holding my breathe...fingers crossed though.

Good luck with that! I bet all the lynx guys are licking their chops waiting on a Swa number!

 

[OurMoney1]

Good luck with that! I bet all the lynx guys are licking their chops waiting on a Swa number!

The Chicago Express pilots are still waiting for theirs...good luck chap...

 

[The Victors]

With 4 years seniority at F9 I think I can live with getting stapled as long as we get WN longevity pay. After my last furlough I have never really worried about getting a captain bid anywhere and have resigned myself to being a professional gear monkey for the majority of my career. The hardest thing for me, and I believe many other F9 guys, is the fact that we will probably not be able to hold DEN as a base for quite awhile (I am also a Colorado native, FWIW). Seems pretty unfair to me that we will probably be commuting to OAK (or wherever is most junior at WN) when DEN is OUR OWN BASE. This will be the majority of our guys since F9 has a lower percentage of commuters than most other airlines. WN will not even have a DEN domicile until after this transaction, no matter which way it goes. Perhaps we can have some sort of protection to keep us in the base even though our seniorty won't support it. TWA guys were protected in STL after the AA deal. Im sure there are some WN DEN guys that are commuting now and licking their chops over driving to work. I hope they think about us when they see us hanging out by the gate sweating to get the jumpseat for the west coast or wherever....

PS, save your sick days Animals, you may need them!

I made $143,000 as a 4th year FO. I think swa will be a much better deal for you guys.

 

[The Victors]

Good luck with that! I bet all the lynx guys are licking their chops waiting on a Swa number!

Is Lynx wholly-owned?