Frontier is selling four aircraft after record lose

[Larcifer]

Why did Frontier pilots vote to outsource their flying to Linx? And, even worst case, why didn't they require that Lynx be part of their union with flow up and down provisions. Even NWA learned from their mistakes and required that Compass be ALPA from day one with flow up and down.

Because we were stupid! No balls to hold the company to the fire and try and maintain our previous scope. Majority of the group actually believed that Q400s and RJs would lead to mainline growth. Hard to feed a 114 seat airbus with a 76 seat RJ with similar range. Yes we are getting 2 320s and parking 4 319s this doesn't lead to an upside for the F9 pilot group. Nobody wants to learn from history, they need to take it up there own ass to before they believe it!

Just my previous ass screwing 2 cents.

 

[MINIME]

Not so simple. And a long story, but if you are interested I'm sure someone will indulge you. In a nutshell Frontier formed a Holding Company, then started a new company called Lynx. Frontier Airlines Inc had nothing to do with it. The only way we could have voted to take Q-400s into the mainline fleet (Frontier Inc.) and have a single seniority list would have been to invent a time machine and go back in time...Unfortunately

Hmm... They stole a play right out of JO (Mesa vs Freedom) and Hulas Kanodia (Trans States vs Gojets) playbook. Hiring on one side of the fence and screwing the other.

No way to really fight it if scope is not tied to the Holding company. Not in today's political climate. Ask any TSA pilot who tried and got nailed by the politically appointed Mediator. Didn't know about this, sorry to hear it guys.

 

[Shrek]

Former TSAer here and it seems like the same Circus - Different Clowns

I am saddened to hear of this news..........

 

[F/O]

Did anybody start getting suspicious when Potter left? It just seems strange he would leave to run a time share operation if things were still peachy.

 

[StaySeated]

Probably the smartest thing Potter has done in the last 2 decades was leave. Stay at a bleeding airline or jump to a successful company while tripling your salary. Not a tough decision.

 

[starchkr]

You know, these are all great points and all guys, but i am still trying to figure out what the heck a "lose" is...

 

[F/O]

Any thoughts on why a Jetblue/Frontier merger hasn't already happened? Other than different engines?

The thing with Potter should have definitely clued some people in. Not a slam, but it seems there are maybe more kool aid drinkers at Frontier than some other places.

 

[CitationUltra]

Any thoughts on why a Jetblue/Frontier merger hasn't already happened? Other than different engines?

The thing with Potter should have definitely clued some people in. Not a slam, but it seems there are maybe more kool aid drinkers at Frontier than some other places.

There doesn't seem to be any impetus for such a merger. Both companies have the conceit of thinking that they have it all figured out (e.g., that they know something about economics that no one else knows) and so do not want and do not see any benefit to be gained from a merger. Koolaid, indeed.

 

[jetalc]

There doesn't seem to be any impetus for such a merger. Both companies have the conceit of thinking that they have it all figured out (e.g., that they know something about economics that no one else knows) and so do not want and do not see any benefit to be gained from a merger. Koolaid, indeed.

Wow - were you in the BOD meeting? It sounds like you've got it all figured out!

 

[FBN0223]

How about DL/NW and Frontier?