"Frontier guys" Don't get Greedy!

[greenbayfan]

Give it up ATA....stop trying to poison the well for the F9 guys. No comparison between what F9 has done. ATA failed because of poor management, expensive leases and very limited customer loyality in conjunction to a declining charter business.

So, what's the reason F9 is in BK? Good management and unlimited customer loyalty? Wow you are in denial.....

 

[StaySeated]

10 pages, 136 posts, and everyone is still saying the same thing. Not an effective method of communication if you ask me.

No one has even seen a proposal yet, but we all seem to have the answer.

I, for one, am done going round and round. To my friends at SWA, I wish you the best of luck regardless of the outcome of this auction. Hopefully this chapter will end on a positive note, but I am not holding my breath.

Cheers.

 

[FDJ2]

10 pages, 136 posts, and everyone is still saying the same thing. Not an effective method of communication if you ask me.

10 pages, that's nothing. Wait till this thing gets to arbitration, where it will end up if SWA wins the bid and both sides can't negotiate a list, you'll see 3000 pages of testimony with everyone is saying the same thing.

I hope for the sake of all the pilots at SWA and Frontier that you all work this thing out amicably and arrive at a negotiated agreement that is fair and equitable to all, it will be better than what will come out of arbitration.

 

[airlinepilot]

Talked to a Dal Capt today in PHX. He said he talked with the Dal Dom Rep and they had asked the People Dept to print all Apps with current Frontier pilots. SWAPA has 450+ names of pilots who want to work for SWA. Guess their wish could come true but not as a new hire...more $$$$

 

[waveflyer]

That sounds like BS- I think it would be reasonable to expect those names are kept private- it's confidential

 

[Cometman]

If SWA gets the bid then the list will be fair. F9 is in chapter 11, SWA will buy them, staple the list, the pay freeze, denver lock, vacation etc. is all extra. That is what the should get, nothing more. They should be thanking the lord for this. There is no reason why they should come out on top of any SWA pilot.

 

[ASADFW7]

The 450 number is accurate. The names are not being posted here, and it is for internal use.

 

[fiel12]

I'm beginning to hope no agreement can be reached, and WN management holds true to their word. No deal. SWA is SWA, F9 is F9 or RAH. Good luck to all.

 

[airlinepilot]

10 pages, that's nothing. Wait till this thing gets to arbitration, where it will end up if SWA wins the bid and both sides can't negotiate a list, you'll see 3000 pages of testimony with everyone is saying the same thing.

I hope for the sake of all the pilots at SWA and Frontier that you all work this thing out amicably and arrive at a negotiated agreement that is fair and equitable to all, it will be better than what will come out of arbitration.

There will not be any arbitration period. Everything has to be signed, sealed and finalized before GARY will move forward. SWAPA will kill the deal if the pilot group is not happy. Bringing on F9 does NOTHING for anyone of us if it's not done correctly.

 

[Vmo]

If the F9 pilots get stapled and furlouged, in the SWAPA contract is there a time limit on getting recalled? I hope that this SWA deal gets done even if it is a staple. It would be good for all involved if done correctly.

 

[FR8dognit]

450 is a super majority of f9 pilots on f9 property and almost a super majority of all f9 pilots[including furloughs]. Looks to me like at least 450 of the f9 guys/gals are very comfortable with being at the bottom of our list. I am not familiar with your pilot demographics in regard to everyones flight times, but would venture to guess that most of the rest of the 700 or so do not meet the qualifications to even apply at WN.

This will all play out. F9 has a wonderful group and will be welcomed here by our pilot group if this deal is done with WN.

 

[scoreboardII]

Do the math.

Swa is overstaffed about 50 jets.

F9 has 50 jets.

How many jets will SWA need?

How many pilots will SWA need?

 

[Richard Gozinya]

SWAPA said this will not make it to abritration, period!

On a side note, the number of F9 guys with their 73 type is right at 300!

Dick

 

[737tanker]

Some things to remember about ATA.
1) ATA could fly any route that they wanted, they just couldn't CODESHARE on a route if SWA also flew that route.
2) SWA never owned any part of ATA prior to buying the Certificate in Bankruptcy, after all employees were terminated.
3) ATA went bankrupt after FedEX removed them from the military charter group.

 

[HalinTexas]

Some things to remember about ATA.
1) ATA could fly any route that they wanted, they just couldn't CODESHARE on a route if SWA also flew that route.
2) SWA never owned any part of ATA prior to buying the Certificate in Bankruptcy, after all employees were terminated.
3) ATA went bankrupt after FedEX removed them from the military charter group.

1) Yes, and no. We pulled out of every directly competitive route because John Denison, former SWA CFO, said we weren't competitive. Also, told us that SWA didn't want us to be competitive with them.

2) See the part about "First Bankruptcy" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_Airlines

3) Yes, John Denison said we needed DC10's. The newest was older than our oldest L1011. He appointed Sabodh Karnik as CEO, who brought in some nitwit from WestPac, and BizEx who's now at Allegient to be VP Ops. All had no idea what they were doing. There is a lawsuit pending, but nothing will come of it.