Frontier almost pulls a "Sully"

[Erlanger]

Frontier trying to get in on the fame. What's that river that flows through Kansas City? It'd be "Miracle on the __________."

Frontier A319 at Kansas City on Nov 14th 2009, birds ingested in both engines

A Frontier Airlines Airbus A319-100, flight F9-820 from Kansas City,MO to Denver,CO (USA) with 129 people on board, departed Kansas City's runway 01R climbing through about 4000 feet, when the airplane flew through a flock of birds ingesting birds into both engines. The airplane stopped climb at 5000 feet, the crew needed to shut the right hand engine down and returned to Kansas City's runway 01L for a safe landing 9 minutes later.

Both engines received damages.

The flight had to be cancelled.

 

[FlyingSig]

Not really all that uncommon, just uncommon in the media when the plane lands uneventfully. Delta had two dual engine bird strikes the last few years... 1 in Rome on a 767-400 (pilots on that one got the ALPA superior airmanship award 2 years ago) and 1 in Nice on a 767-300. I've been shown pictures of a American 737 that trashed both engines with birds....

 

[GuppyWN]

Those F9 boys are BETTER than Sully - they kept power on the aircraft.

Gup

 

[Whataburger]

Miracle on Red?
Ohio?
Colombia?
Tigris?
Thames?
Amazon?
It's tough to remember the names of those Missouri Rivers.

 

[crj567]

Those F9 boys are BETTER than Sully - they kept power on the aircraft.

Gup

Chuck Norris was on the jumpseat, running the checklist..... When one of the engines tried to balk, he just gave it the ol' "stinkeye" out the window, and it fired up like a champ!

 

[St. Nic]

Those F9 boys are BETTER than Sully - they kept power on the aircraft.

Gup

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not really all that uncommon, just uncommon in the media when the plane lands uneventfully. Delta had two dual engine bird strikes the last few years... 1 in Rome on a 767-400 (pilots on that one got the ALPA superior airmanship award 2 years ago) and 1 in Nice on a 767-300. I've been shown pictures of a American 737 that trashed both engines with birds....

Yes, and most people do not even know about those. Both of those had enough gas on board for a very long flight. It added to it. Great job by the crews allowed the media to ignore it.

We get exposed for our failures, but never for our successes. Kind of like the CIA.

 

[nwaredtail]

Those F9 boys are BETTER than Sully - they kept power on the aircraft.

Gup

Wonder if they went to TOGA power?

 

[mdf]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

Not entirely true. There was a Southwest dude about 5 years that had a dual flap spindle failure at 400' in a -200. It was at night. In my book that one upped Sulley, not to take away from what he did, though.

 

[75M]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

Me thinks you need less coffee and more donuts as this was meant as a joke...

 

[xanderman]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

Good heavens! You really believe that don't you? Let me spell it out for you. THE PLANETS WERE ALIGNED THAT DAY! Plain and simple. Most, if not all, crews with a little experience on the 'bus would have performed similarly. Why? No IMC. No night. No winds. No crowded river.

BTW Have we heard yet if the "Sully" advanced the thrust levers to TOGA to see if there was anything left in the #1 engine? I remember reports coming out that the #1 was at 35% N1. That's approx inflight idle...

Great job Frontier pilots! You actually got the a/c back in one piece. Something the "Sully" didn't do...

 

[Quimby]

Good heavens! You really believe that don't you? Let me spell it out for you. THE PLANETS WERE ALIGNED THAT DAY! Plain and simple. Most, if not all, crews with a little experience on the 'bus would have performed similarly. Why? No IMC. No night. No winds. No crowded river.

BTW Have we heard yet if the "Sully" advanced the thrust levers to TOGA to see if there was anything left in the #1 engine? I remember reports coming out that the #1 was at 35% N1. That's approx inflight idle...

Great job Frontier pilots! You actually got the a/c back in one piece. Something the "Sully" didn't do...

Who gives a sh*t about the a/c? Everyone lived in the Hudson deal last time I checked. I'm sure Airbus can build 'em another one to replace it.

Sully & crew still did a great job, regardless of what the Monday AM q'backs say. I love all the "I would have done this/They should have done that".......GMAFB.

 

[crj567]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

CODE BLUE!!!!!!!

-"Someone please come to room 156 STAT!!!! This patient is coding, and needs the stick removed from his ass RIGHT NOW!!"

 

[Cowboy75]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

I think the story has been told all around planet Earth. Would you like some pom poms?

 

[TZtoSWA]

Not entirely true. There was a Southwest dude about 5 years that had a dual flap spindle failure at 400' in a -200. It was at night. In my book that one upped Sulley, not to take away from what he did, though.

Don't forget they were also in IMC shooting the LOC BC into Harlingen. After they got it back on the ground, dispatch had a swap for them and they took another bird back to HOU. I personally would have been cleaning out my underwear at the hotel. I have flown with this guy many times. A real class act in addition to being an absolute blast to spend a 4 day with. One of those ones who has the whole crew laughing all day.

 

[veneratio]

those f9 boys are better than sully - they kept power on the aircraft.

Gup

lol......

 

[Tomct]

Did they hit the "Ditching" switch?? :blush: Both crews did a great job.

 

[Microclimates]

Chuck Norris wasn't running checklists.... He had the checklists running themselves.

the previous post said the rest. #1 engine thought about quitting but after the ol' Norris stinkeye thought better of it.

 

[jhill]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

R U Serious Kernal?

 

[roughneck]

Funny the Boeing test pilots crashed the sim 31 consecutive times trying to recreate the double spindle failure profile in HRL. They still claim you can't fly out of a spindle failure and have nothing but priase for our guys who did it.

Just think if the news would have got ahold of that one everyone would have been talking about how SWA flies our 737's single pilot with only an F/O much like they made it sound that Sully did it all himself.

 

[ASADFW7]

Good job and a pat on the back for the pilots. Acknowledgment and a sense of accomplishment may not come from the company but a once and life time event with a great result needs to be recognized.

 

[Vegaspilot99]

What is a double spindle failure?

 

[kf4amu]

Good heavens! You really believe that don't you? Let me spell it out for you. THE PLANETS WERE ALIGNED THAT DAY! Plain and simple. Most, if not all, crews with a little experience on the 'bus would have performed similarly. Why? No IMC. No night. No winds. No crowded river.

You would have tried to make the runway and killed thousands of NYC citizens as well as all the passengers and crew.

 

[wms]

The Missouri River.

 

[GuppyWN]

What is a double spindle failure?

It's when both "spindles" that actuate the flaps snap at one time leaving flaps 40 on one side of the jet and ZERO on the other side. You can imagine.

The FO was an aerobatic hot shot that made every right move the first time. Truly amazing.

But back to the F9 dudes. Well done!

Gup

 

[xanderman]

You would have tried to make the runway and killed thousands of NYC citizens as well as all the passengers and crew.

You miss the point highspeed. Did I suggest that or is it something you read into my point because I praised the Frontier crew for getting their bird on the ground. If #1 was at flight idle what would you have done? There is reason to believe that the thrust levers never left the idle detent. If they went to toga they might have found the could've limped it to EWR. But then you seem to be so enamored with the "Sully" and can't seem to grasp that he and his crew were damn lucky. Period. Tell me how do you think the "Sully" would have done in darkness? Or IMC? What if he had a crosswind at touchdown? What if the river was crowded as it usually is? Yeah I'd say he was lucky. All too often guys with all kinds of backgrounds do amazing things in airplanes possibly saving hundreds of lives and are never recognized. Problem is it isn't as sensational... Maybe the Frontier Capt can write a book! What do ya think? Would you buy it...?

 

[samballs]

Not really all that uncommon, just uncommon in the media when the plane lands uneventfully. Delta had two dual engine bird strikes the last few years... 1 in Rome on a 767-400 (pilots on that one got the ALPA superior airmanship award 2 years ago) and 1 in Nice on a 767-300. I've been shown pictures of a American 737 that trashed both engines with birds....

Leave it to a Delta pilot to say "we do it all the time". You guys do realize that you're not the only ones who fly planes, right?

 

[snow-back]

Miracle on Red?
Ohio?
Colombia?
Tigris?
Thames?
Amazon?
It's tough to remember the names of those Missouri Rivers.

No geography majors here I guess.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Leave it to a Delta pilot to say "we do it all the time". You guys do realize that you're not the only ones who fly planes, right?

Leave it to a loser like yourself to pull that out of what he said.

Some people on this site just need to get it over with and go kick their dog.

 

[RedDogC130]

What planet are you from? Sully is a national hero and has done more for this profession than any Southwest pilot ever has. The actions he took after both engines went dead were textbook and because of this 156 people are still alive.

Read the book Fly by Wire by William Langewieche that just came out...I do not view Sully in the same way anymore....He is out for $$$ and fame....that is it in my view. Read the book...Ch 1