Frontier Airlines becomes Wholly Owned subsidary of Republic

[MikeSF340]

This makes NO sense. They are going to be in DIRECT competition with ALL their mainline partners. How can they expect that United, Continental, Delta, American, US Air, etc are going to stand for this? These airlines will now be directly paying the competition! Something does not add up.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Well if the plan is to make a stand alone airline this is exactly what they want.

Wonder if this might violate one of the mainline carriers' scope clauses. I seem to remember that was one of the ways UAL worked to kill Indy Air. Indy could not operate the 320's because they violated UAL scope, but UAL would not release ACA (parent of Indy Air) from their obligations for express service, unless ACA paid very high penalties to get out. This effectively bled ACA dry. Does this look like a possibility? 'Cause RP needs to be stopped.uke:

Peace.

Rekks

 

[pa31capt]

I'm sure RAH has already talked to their codeshare partners. I don't see them putting their flying at risk to make this happen. BB is a pretty smart guy.

 

[lookin4better]

It would be nice to see them cancel all the RAH contracts....Many mainline/legacy jobs at UAL/DAL would be saved if those 170/175/190 's would no longer be flying mainline routes or painted in UAL/DAL colors. Let RAH give it a try..... they will fizzle like Independence Air.

 

[ilinipilot]

Can I ask an Honest question? Where is the outrage at the credit card companies that drove F9 into bankruptcy. Their ********************ty rules let them rape the airlines, send them to bankrupcty and get sold.

 

[samballs]

Wonder if this might violate one of the mainline carriers' scope clauses. I seem to remember that was one of the ways UAL worked to kill Indy Air. Indy could not operate the 320's because they violated UAL scope, but UAL would not release ACA (parent of Indy Air) from their obligations for express service, unless ACA paid very high penalties to get out. This effectively bled ACA dry. Does this look like a possibility? 'Cause RP needs to be stopped.uke:

Peace.

Rekks

ACA 320 were on the ACA cert. thats how it was a violation. The 320's at frontier would be on the frontier cert. which does not fly for anyone. This is why mesa and the pole smokers own so many certificates. Wow never thought there would be a day a mesa pilot could hold his head higher than a RP pilot

 

[flynryan15]

It would be nice to see them cancel all the RAH contracts....Many mainline/legacy jobs at UAL/DAL would be saved if those 170/175/190 's would no longer be flying mainline routes or painted in UAL/DAL colors. Let RAH give it a try..... they will fizzle like Independence Air.

INDY started with a bunch of CRJ-200 while waiting for a few Airbus. As of right now Republic has 137 E-170/175, 2 E-195, 10 A-320, 49 A-319, 11 A-318, 60 E-145, 15 E-140 13 Crj-200, and 10 Q-400's. That is a entirely different ball game and honestly it is a little concerning!

 

[samballs]

Can I ask an Honest question? Where is the outrage at the credit card companies that drove F9 into bankruptcy. Their ********************ty rules let them rape the airlines, send them to bankrupcty and get sold.

Half of them are owned by the Govt. and we're all sick of bitching about the Govt. already, and the Govt. ain't going to yell at its self.

 

[deadstick]

The Borg is an understatement... It is more like a new Flu strain

No, RAH is the plague. Any guesses as to who is the rat spreading the disease throughout our industry and quickly killing it?

 

[BoilerUP]

Its entirely probably that Bedford & Co. knew UAL and/or DAL were going to terminate or vastly reduce their agreements by the end of the year, and that Midwest unfortunately has very little chance of remaining in business.

This is simply a hedging of bets, designed to give shareholders SOME value when their contract lift starts evaporating.

 

[flynryan15]

The only saving grace is the article unless a better offer surfaces. Can Jet Blue make a play?

 

[ATRCA]

I'm not in the least bit concerned that RAH is going to become some kind of powerhouse in the industry. We're talking about an RJ operator latching on to a very small and hardly profitable National airline. The new airline will face tremendous competition and if RAH were to in fact lose code share contracts they would be hard pressed to finance their new "Major" airline for long.

This is positioning, nothing else. A small Bus operator in DEN is hardly going to produce a "game changer" if you will.

 

[lowlycfi]

Where are they going to fly them to? Does Republic know anything about marketing an airline? What about selling tickets?

Probably about as much as ACA/Independence and ExpressJet did, and those didn't work out to great.

By the way, I like the quote from Gen. McAuliffe.

 

[flynryan15]

I'm not in the least bit concerned that RAH is going to become some kind of powerhouse in the industry. We're talking about an RJ operator latching on to a very small and hardly profitable National airline. The new airline will face tremendous competition and if RAH were to in fact lose code share contracts they would be hard pressed to finance their new "Major" airline for long.

This is positioning, nothing else. A small Bus operator in DEN is hardly going to produce a "game changer" if you will.

Hope you are right!

 

[Headfake14]

Regarding a play by Jetblue. I haven't heard anything around the playgrounds here about us aquiring or buying into another carrier. Doesn't mean it hasn't been talked about during 'skunk works' meetings. But I don't see it happening right now.

We are getting ready to dig in with SWA in BWI and we're still at it with VX in JFK and IAD.

 

[jmreii]

I might be a conspiracy theory nut case, but what is to stop Republic from adding something like a A330? Then shifting all Ejets to their own airline, and almost overnight becoming a stand alone airline.

Money talks, everything else walks!

 

[ATRCA]

Hope you are right!

What if I'm wrong? What will that mean? Even if Frontier successfully emerges from BK with RAH supplying the cash what exactly should the rest of us take issue with? I'm just not all that afraid of RAH and the Reverend. Why is everyone else so enamored with this. So they own a small Airbus operator? What's the problem?

 

[flynryan15]

What if I'm wrong? What will that mean? Even if Frontier successfully emerges from BK with RAH supplying the cash what exactly should the rest of us take issue with? I'm just not all that afraid of RAH and the Reverend. Why is everyone else so enamored with this. So they own a small Airbus operator? What's the problem?

The problem could be them combining the small Airbus operator with their Ejets. Overnight they have a 200 plus aircraft airline with labor cost that would bring a tear to Frank Lorenzo's eye!

 

[ATRCA]

The problem could be them combining the small Airbus operator with their Ejets. Overnight they have a 200 plus aircraft airline with labor cost that would bring a tear to Frank Lorenzo's eye!

Perhaps but they have no market share. They have no stand alone route structure. They have no infrastructure to support a massive successful "start up" National airline. It takes a lot more than equipment to sustain a major stand alone airline operation. In order to do this, RAH would need to cut itself off from it's only revenue stream which is contract feed. Are you suggesting they will simply cease providing contract feed and over night start this "big" new airline. I just don't see it. Even if they did, the track record for such operations is hardly something to lose sleep over.

 

[aewanabe]

And why exactly should the RP pilots give a crap or "hold their heads lower than a Mesa pilot" because of the Reverend's actions again?

PS all you kiddies with CL65 in your profile ranting about E-Jets killing the mainline are hilarious. Especially those who fly the -700 or -900.