From the DAL/NWA rumor mill

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I have that right now and I have been at NWA 3 months.

Yes, but when ATC says "NorthWest.. traffic at 12 o'clock" you look over your left shoulder.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I have that right now and I have been at NWA 3 months.

No offense..but you're on the panel...we're on window seats...the equivalent of senior 757 stuff or the A330 at redtail land.



Regardless, we have minimal say in what's about to go down.

 

[clippyrip]

Yes, but when ATC says "NorthWest.. traffic at 12 o'clock" you look over your left shoulder.

HA HA

I won't hear it....I will be snoozing away in my 3rd hr of sleep.

 

[Superpilot92]

the panel pays pretty much the same as 757 FO.

 

[clippyrip]

No offense..but you're on the panel...we're on window seats

None taken, I flew 20+ legs a day out in the bush of Alaska....I am ready to chill for a while.

 

[clippyrip]

Someone else had said the 330s and SEA, ANC bases also fenced.

This is probably not true, but why fence ANC? I can't imagine there are many Delta pilots chomping at the bit to commute up here..what would be a good reason?

 

[IronCityBlue]

This is probably not true, but why fence ANC? I can't imagine there are many Delta pilots chomping at the bit to commute up here..what would be a good reason?

A fence may be a good way to prevent forced displacements.

 

[JAM-BRO]

I ran quick #s here. If those ratios are what the SLI is gonna look like, It aint close to fair. Just ran them from my perspective. I am May'98 hire at NWA. 4100ssn. If the bottom ratio is 1:3, I would be below the last DAL Apr'08 hire. I've been here 10yrs. Major windfall for the DAL side.... Not gonna work. I am willing to give up a year or two of seniority, not all of it... This method has the last 1,250 NWA pilots stapled to the bottom.

I say, straight ratio..........

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is what I am seeing as well, IF I run the numbers based on this.

Lots will come out about this in the next few days. Not sure if all of it will be true or not.
If the above is the case, then I am sure that there was some consideration given to current seat position. FWIW.

The curtain will be open soon.

 

[tbkane]

Jam

I ran the numbers too and came up with a different merger. Hold on for this math in public and it would be about date of hire which is bad for us.

Lets call the airline a total of 12,000 for easy math. 7,200 DAL 4,800 NW (I know its not exact but its easier.

1st 30% doh and assuming NWA has more senior pilots call them 20% of the 30%

That makes 2,400 NWA 1,200 DAL

Next 30% 1 for 2 2,400 DAL 1,200 NWA

Leaving 3,600 DAL and 1,200 NWA

Now 1 for 3

Guess what its almost date of hire that last for pilots are 3 DAL 1 NWA. Again bad for the DAL pilots as we have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

 

[Superpilot92]

That isnt the real deal. Neither side would go for that IMHO.

 

[JAM-BRO]

TB

Your math is skewed. You cannot merge the lists and then ratio them out. By your numbers, NWA's top 50% will get DOH and DAL's 16.5% get DOH. Then 33 % of DAL get 1:2 as well as 25% of NWA. Then the bottom is 50% DAL and 25% NWA... Not even close to being fair. That is what DOH would look like.

Assuming this is all "TRUE", you have to divide each individual list separately into three: Top 30%, Mid 30% and bottom 40%. Using round numbers(DAL 7k NWA 5k), you take the top 1500 NWA and top 2100 DAL and merge then in the new list by DOH. Then take the next 1500 NWA and 2100 DAL and merge them by 1:2. Lastly you take the bottom 2000 NWA and bottom 2800 DAL and do 1:3. Problem for me is, that this staples 500 NWA pilots to the bottom of the mid group and an additional 1100 NWA pilots to the bottom of the third. Not too fair for the NWA guys. I, for one, would be below the Apr'08 hires at DAL. Like I said before, I've been here 10 yrs. Is that a fair integration. Don' think so...

Jam

I ran the numbers too and came up with a different merger. Hold on for this math in public and it would be about date of hire which is bad for us.

Lets call the airline a total of 12,000 for easy math. 7,200 DAL 4,800 NW (I know its not exact but its easier.

1st 30% doh and assuming NWA has more senior pilots call them 20% of the 30%

That makes 2,400 NWA 1,200 DAL 50%NWA 16.6% DAL

Next 30% 1 for 2 2,400 DAL 1,200 NWA 33.4 % DAL and 25% NWA

Leaving 3,600 DAL and 1,200 NWA 50%DAL 25%NWA

Now 1 for 3

Guess what its almost date of hire that last for pilots are 3 DAL 1 NWA. Again bad for the DAL pilots as we have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

 

[tbkane]

I like your math better!

 

[ugasucks]

On the hotel van this morning an airbus NWA crew DTW and a DAL 88 crew ATL. Captain's talked about sick time and pay raises, F/As talked,NWA flight attendents on a 5 day trip were all happy bc they hope to get Delta uniforms. Could only think while they were talking that nothing could be worse then a 5day trip out of DTW. But us two FO's didn't say word bc we know we will be the ones getting screwed the most. Last thing I heard from the NW captain talking to his FA so we all could hear him as we were getting our bags was,"I can't wait to be SLC based bc he is a PHX commuter." Nice touch buddy keep your comments to your self and stay in DTW please.

 

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Problem for me is, that this staples 500 NWA pilots to the bottom of the mid group and an additional 1100 NWA pilots to the bottom of the third. Not too fair for the NWA guys. I, for one, would be below the Apr'08 hires at DAL. Like I said before, I've been here 10 yrs. Is that a fair integration. Don' think so...

I don't know where the ratio lines are drawn, but wouldn't it make sense to try to make those lines match current equipment bids? If so, that would probably be close to correct, but still favor the NWA side slightly.