From Apaad We Won!!

[UndauntedFlyer]

What would your stance have been on this subject 5,10,20 years ago? Honest answer. You old timers reaped the rewards of the age 60 rule and NOW you want to change it because its your turn to step aside like the many other professional aviators before you. Bow out, its your turn for the Water cannon Shower or stay and get the golden shower treatment by your fellow pilots.

I have always been in favor of changing the age 60 rule. Too bad for me though because I missed the cut. Of course, welfare isn't that bad, money doesn't make a person happy. My house trailer is warm in the winter. And no more all nighters, MiaTias or late parties; this is definately an improvement on a person's health. Less stress is better and I don't have to worry about losing my retirement!

 

[Superpilot92]

I have always been in favor of changing the age 60 rule. Too bad for me though because I missed the cut. Of course, welfare isn't that bad, money doesn't make a person happy. My house trailer is warm in the winter. And no more all nighters, MiaTias or late parties; this is definately an improvement on a person's health. Less stress is better and I don't have to worry about losing my retirement!

Ok well how is it fair that you retired at 60 yet others behind you should now have it differently? They took your spot and pay and didnt fight for you to be able to stay. This is nothing more than the top selling out the bottom, again. It pretty pathetic in my opinion. On a serious note, enjoy retirement and be glad you dont have to be a part of this messed up industry anymore.:beer:

 

[Patriot328]

Sounds like you just want something (money) for nothing. I've got an idea for you, its called work for pay. Or maybe you just should quit now and become a wellfare burden on society.

It wasn't something (money) for nothing. It was MONEY for WORK done over a career. Now, I have to work longer to make the same amount of money or work the same to make over 1/2million dollars less money. I have been robbed in career earnings with this change. I hope you APAADs are happy that at least everyone has been equally f*cked over now. Congrats.

Coming from the original "me generation", your comment about burdens on society is ironic.


I hope you had to sell your two airplanes. I wouldn't want you to be a burden on society in your old age, after all.

 

[vtech]

To those of you who are opposed to this change in the Age 60 rule, what would your position have been back when ALPA fought the imposition of the rule by American Airlines as a company policy and won back through arbitration the jobs of those pilots who were fired by American Airlines back in the 50's? ALPA opposed the imposition of the rule back then. The arbitrator gave those pilots over the age of 60 their jobs back. How would you have felt about the issue back then?

The head of Ameircan Airlines back then worked out a deal with the head of the C.A.B. to implement the Age 60 rule and it stuck back then. Ameircan worked around the ruling of the arbitrator and got the rule implemented by the CAB. It's been with us for six decades. Ironic that APA sought to keep a rule in place that American Airlines management was responsible for and that ALPA successfully fought through arbitration at the time.

So, again, what would your positon have been back then?

You'll be 60 some day. When you have the choice to continue working and some of you will continue to work, what will you think then?

 

[Fit59]

It's not a done deal, it still has to be put through the senate. There's no way this will pass before the recess.

 

[Occam's Razor]

65 is an arbitrary age!

Irony, thy name is APAAD

 

[vtech]

It's not a done deal, it still has to be put through the senate. There's no way this will pass before the recess.

Nope. Done deal. Senate passed it by unanimous consent tonight. Going to the President for signature tomorrow.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

It's not a done deal, it still has to be put through the senate. There's no way this will pass before the recess.

Sorry to have to inform you of this, but age 65 has passed the Senate tonight. It will be signed by the President tomorrow and law on the same day: 12/13/07..

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Now we need to start on chaning to age 70. Age 65 is pure age discrimination.

 

[Patriot328]

You'll be 60 some day. When you have the choice to continue working and some of you will continue to work, what will you think then?

When I turn 60, I'll have the chance to say, "Well, since the age 60 rule changed, I'm missing $750,000 in career earnings, so I probably need to stay for a few extra years to make it up."


Age 65: Allowing pilots all over to work for free for 2-3 years.

 

[vtech]

When I turn 60, I'll have the chance to say, "Well, since the age 60 rule changed, I'm missing $750,000 in career earnings, so I probably need to stay for a few extra years to make it up."


Age 65: Allowing pilots all over to work for free for 2-3 years.

Fuzzy math.

 

[Patriot328]

Fuzzy math.

Hardly. Take the pay difference between CA and FO in a year. Multiply that by 5 years. Factor in the smaller contributions into a B-fund and compound interest that over 25-30 years (there's the closest part of fuzzy)..

Even skipping the B-fund/interest, the pay difference between CA and FO for five years is a few hundred grand easily.

 

[Fit59]

Nope. Done deal. Senate passed it by unanimous consent tonight. Going to the President for signature tomorrow.

Man... I'm behind the times. I can't believe it! The Senate can't get anything done right now!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The best part is now USP and Fedex have 500 ropes that are now senior captains again. They'll have to pay them captains pay to sit sideways, otherwise face the enormous cost of displacing the entire pilot group. Either way it will cost the company millions.

 

[Boeing747Driver]

The best part is now USP and Fedex have 500 ropes that are now senior captains again. They'll have to pay them captains pay to sit sideways, otherwise face the enormous cost of displacing the entire pilot group. Either way it will cost the company millions.

I think it would be discrimination if they don't go back to the left seat.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I think it would be discrimination if they don't go back to the left seat.

I guess they could put all the line holders back to reserve. Oh that sucks.....I don't think the people pushing this really thought this through. For the company to minimize the money lost on this, all their lines will built to make their lives a living hell.

 

[get2flyin]

Senate passed HR 4343 by unanimous consent this evening at roughly 2145.

When Bush signs it, it's law.

Hayes, etc. will present it to White House tomorrow AM to try to get this signed
ASAP.

More info tomorrow.

Why don't I just give you my ATM pin number. I suppose you feel you're entitled to that too. Thanks a lot. Way to lack the class of your predecessors. You bunch of greedy pricks.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Well overall this sucks. I have no intrest in flying until 65. Some guys do, just not me. Now comes the real problem. Be ready for a very complete physical.

 

[jbDC9]

Now we need to start on changing to age 70. Age 65 is pure age discrimination.

What, was that supposed to be funny? It wasn't.

Idiot.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Well, we can always hope that a bunch of them fall on the jetway or getting out of hotel vans and break a hip. Or maybe they'll just wander off and get lost in the terminal as dementia hits. I wonder what the traveling public will think when they are stumbling around the terminal looking dazed and confused and can't find their way to the gate???

Oh well, at least the Dutch have started the process to make it better... http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/01/netherlands.euthanasia/ (okay, I'm kidding about the Holland thing...)

 

[ivauir]

GEN X .... This is just the beginning. Wait until the boomers "fix" social security. The greediest generation is just beginning to dig in. In the name of "fairness" we will work longer and for less regardless of our chosen career.

To add insult to injury if you don't heartily agree with their position they will accuse you of being selfish.

 

[Ezralite]

So now who's in charge of wiping the ancient captain's chin drool?

Please tell me that the FAA considers rectal incontinence a disqualifying factor in geezer medicals.

 

[skypine27]

Edited:

On behalf of 75% of FedEx pilots, I wished FoxHunter ill-will.

I still do, though I've decided it was in poor taste to post it on a public forum.

Good luck "bro".

 

[waveflyer]

OK-When will it actually take effect?

 

[BigMeat]

Well there it goes. Dont expect me to carry your carry ons up the stairs you ole bastards. You had yours and now you are going to take ours. Good luck and dont expect me to go above and beyond on your flights. If it doesnt involve safety or ontime you will get no "I already got it captain" bull********************. Have fun flyin until dyin. Dont forget your socks....

 

[Freight Dog]

Airline safety just took a nose-dive.

Be careful out there folks.

 

[anewunion]

Get out of Guam before it's too late...

 

[eaglefly]

Well there it goes. Dont expect me to carry your carry ons up the stairs you ole bastards. You had yours and now you are going to take ours. Good luck and dont expect me to go above and beyond on your flights. If it doesnt involve safety or ontime you will get no "I already got it captain" bull********************. Have fun flyin until dyin. Dont forget your socks....

You have older pilots in this country shaking in their boots..............LOL !

Sorry about the setback in your career. But look on the bright side, the harder job you formerly did for less time has no become an easier job for longer (if you make good on your threats).

So, in effect, things have gotten EASIER for you.

There, now don't you feel better ?

 

[FLYLOW22]

Hopefully you and all your scab brothers will be dead at 61.

It's good to see that love is in the air... :uzi: SCAB

 

[Caveman]

Ah yes, when you have no logical argument to make, by all means resort to personal attacks. It makes you look VERY credible.

You're kidding right? Please reread this thread and see who's doing the name calling. The anti APAAD folks are generally the ones making the personal attacks.