Friendly NJI/NJA discussion

[be-400xpdriver]

Thank God he's not actually one of ours. Can you imagine having to tour with a guy like that?!

I can but then I would imagine my self jumping off a tall building!!

 

[GVFlyer]

SeaSpray, check your PMs.

 

[AA717driver]

I guess JetBlue really created a safety hazzard when they hired a bunch of ex military guys with no A320 experience in their first batch of classes.

I got hired into the left seat of the G550 with NO prior Gulfstream experience. I made quite a few mistakes my first year--none of which involved flying the plane. They do things differently and I had a steep learning curve but I did adapt quickly.

They still haven't broken my habit of not keeping the A/T's on all the way to the runway (they never will!).

I respectfully disagree with your point about NJA Captains, SeaSpray. TC

 

[h25b]

I guess JetBlue really created a safety hazzard when they hired a bunch of ex military guys with no A320 experience in their first batch of classes.

I got hired into the left seat of the G550 with NO prior Gulfstream experience. I made quite a few mistakes my first year--none of which involved flying the plane. They do things differently and I had a steep learning curve but I did adapt quickly.

They still haven't broken my habit of not keeping the A/T's on all the way to the runway (they never will!).

I respectfully disagree with your point about NJA Captains, SeaSpray. TC

You'll be taken away to a dark room in SAV and killed. Are you telling me that not all Gulfstream pilots were born with 2000 hours in type ??? Now that would be useful information.

Ah, the silence has finally been broken. You will surely have to turn in your type rating...:laugh:

 

[AA717driver]

h25b--No, I'll be taken away because of my belief that the Gulfstream is just another airplane. Sure, it's better than having your head bent over in a Lear (nothing personal) or just plain 'bent over' at the airlines but...

Like 'fido said--If they'd pay me $200k a year to fly a C90, I'd jump in a heartbeat.TC

 

[batsky2000]

Oh I guess flying the X all over the world does not count huh?

Call your buds and go to FEDEX!

So I guess that is why NJA hired off the street BBJ pilots? Give me a break, if you are saying that an NJA pilot is qualified to fly as a Capt. in a G without any experience in how NJI operates, then why did you guys hire BBJ pilots off the street in the beginning? where none of your highly qualified Boeing and Airbus pilots qualified enough to fly a BBJ right off the bat?

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Jeez its not rocket science. It will probably work the same way it does now at NJA when any captain moves to a new airplane. They fly for awhile as an "unreleased captain" (FO for practical purposes) to gain experience. This lasts anywhere from 3 to 9 months and then they are good to go.

Which pretty much explains the BBJ street captains who were there to bridge that experience gap during the ramp up.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

SeaSpray, check your PMs.

Looks like the military Gulfstream good-ole-boy hiring network is kicking in.

 

[h25b]

Sure, it's better than having your head bent over in a Lear (nothing personal) or just plain 'bent over' at the airlines but...

Exactly... I've got a great medical plan that covers BOTH chiropractic AND proctology services ...

 

[CE750Driver]

I had started a dialog with Joe to come to NJI upon my retirement from the military. I won't be doing that now.

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command is somewhat less than appealing. (1/3 of all new captains will come from the NJA seniority list) You are creating an unsafe operating model.

Seaspray, your head is so far up your azz, you cant see straight. I have flown with all types at NJA. Including a thud driver that was shot down and spent over 7 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton, a SR 71 pilot, who, if he likes you will tell you many things that arent written in the history books. Many airline pilots that have flown 747s when they were a new plane. Men that MADE history and have movies about their lives. Men who have enough character to just laugh at your condisending attitude.

Good luck in your job search you arrogant prick, and everytime you see a gold tie walk off a G whiz, you are free to take it as a personal attack.

 

[GEXDriver]

Jeez its not rocket science. It will probably work the same way it does now at NJA when any captain moves to a new airplane. They fly for awhile as an "unreleased captain" (FO for practical purposes) to gain experience. This lasts anywhere from 3 to 9 months and then they are good to go.

Right, a few months of pseudo captain experience at NJA is roughly equivalent to years of Gulfstream international captain experience in the real world.

Which pretty much explains the BBJ street captains who were there to bridge that experience gap during the ramp up.

Those "street captains" were around for years and it's already been beat to death on these boards that there are many here that think the BBJ operation was the blind leading the blind. Not a good example.


AA717driver - your experience of being hired into the left seat of a Gulfstream with no prior Gulfstream experience is certainly not typical of the industry. Your employer probably didn't want to pay for a Gulfstream captain. I'm betting that your compensation reflects that.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Looks like the military Gulfstream good-ole-boy hiring network is kicking in.

Actually, looks like asses smell one another out. They enjoy the time spent in the cockpit saying "Okay, enough about you...let's talk about ME!"

I've got to tell you that it's this strange arrogant attitude that prevails with many G-string guys and has been predominant in many over at NJI. Many of the NJI pilots AND flight attendants (for unknown reasons) have held their noses high around us NJA folks when we walk into their presence. Not all of them, but most. I never could understand how flying something as simple as a G-String could create such a character flaw.

I'm able to hold a G-string PIC slot when they come available but will probably let a few others slide in first and smooth things out. And besides, I would be taking a reduction in QOL since they don't have a 7 & 7 until they are consolidated.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Jet Fuel,

Better learn a little more about NJI before posting. 50% of crewmembers at NJI have had 7-7 for more than 2 years. The rest are on 6-5 and scheduling is always willing to move things around a bit to accomodate special events in crewmembers' lives. If you are senior enough at NJA to hold the 1 for 3 integration at NJI, you will be able to hold 7-7.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Right, a few months of pseudo captain experience at NJA is roughly equivalent to years of Gulfstream international captain experience in the real world.

You know, I think I have figured out something here. You see at NJA many of us have recent experience in multiple airplane types. You see we have the ability to fly one airplane for awhile and then switch and fly a different type.

You guys have been flying only G4s and its offshoots. You are so stuck on one airplane type that maybe you aren't comfortable with the idea of flying anything different. Maybe new airplanes scare you a bit?

Must be true because otherwise you would see that flying a new airplane is no big deal.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Jet Fuel,

Better learn a little more about NJI before posting. 50% of crewmembers at NJI have had 7-7 for more than 2 years. The rest are on 6-5 and scheduling is always willing to move things around a bit to accomodate special events in crewmembers' lives. If you are senior enough at NJA to hold the 1 for 3 integration at NJI, you will be able to hold 7-7.

Thanks for the info. I'm a quick study. But instead of learning a new set of work rules, I think I'll just wait the three years. Besides, my sick days accomodate me quite well during those "special events" and scheduling actually must get me home on my 7th day and can't hold me hostage for day 8 or 9 'cuz it wouldn't be prudent or efficient. I'll never have to work on day 8 unless I chose to do so. My contract only allows the company to use that eighth day to airline me home. And for my trouble, I collect nearly a couple thousand dollars and get the equal time off of my first day on the next tour. 40 percent more of your pilots will have the opportunity for an improved lifestyle with their families on the 7 and 7. I think you're really going to appreciate all the protections that our hard won work rules will provide those of you at NJI in three years.