Friendly NJI/NJA discussion

[Hawkered]

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command......

Wow! That's not air I hear coming out of that overinflated ego is it?!!

We operate a perfectly safe operaing model here at Netjets in all of our operations. For you to use a politically motivated, slanderous scare mongering assault against your employer disqualifies you from even being considered a professional.

That was easily the most unprofessional posting I've ever seen in my life!!!

You Sir, are an idiot!

 

[Mach92]

I had started a dialog with Joe to come to NJI upon my retirement from the military. I won't be doing that now.

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command is somewhat less than appealing. (1/3 of all new captains will come from the NJA seniority list) You are creating an unsafe operating model.

It is apparent that NJI will become a union organization and I have an ethical issue with unions in general and the Teamsters in specific which has a history of involvement in organized crime.

Looks like after Joe and Bill got in trouble, they couldn't look out for you guys. Too bad.

Oh I guess flying the X all over the world does not count huh?

Call your buds and go to FEDEX!

 

[squonk]

I had started a dialog with Joe to come to NJI upon my retirement from the military. I won't be doing that now.

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command is somewhat less than appealing. (1/3 of all new captains will come from the NJA seniority list) You are creating an unsafe operating model.

It is apparent that NJI will become a union organization and I have an ethical issue with unions in general and the Teamsters in specific which has a history of involvement in organized crime.

Looks like after Joe and Bill got in trouble, they couldn't look out for you guys. Too bad.

SeaSpray, you post some over the top posts, but this is just warped thinking.

First off, it's typical O-6 arrogance that you are displaying here. When you get into the Civ sector, you will start on the bottom, unless NJI is hiring Cpts off the street. No one is going to cater to you anymore commander. Preflight, get the numbers and pull the gear up.

Second, that NJI/NJA guy your sitting beside has seen a jet before. He passed the same type ride you did. More than likely he came from an airline and probably has more experience than you do.

With your attitude, the only unsafe model is you.

 

[On Your Six]

I had started a dialog with Joe to come to NJI upon my retirement from the military. I won't be doing that now.

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command is somewhat less than appealing. (1/3 of all new captains will come from the NJA seniority list) You are creating an unsafe operating model.

It is apparent that NJI will become a union organization and I have an ethical issue with unions in general and the Teamsters in specific which has a history of involvement in organized crime.

Looks like after Joe and Bill got in trouble, they couldn't look out for you guys. Too bad.

I know a few NJA pilots who have thousands of hours in A320s, 737s and 757s (furloughees) - I guess you would consider them inexperienced and incapable... Experience flying Citation Xs and Falcon 2000s wouldn't qualify for you? I bet Chuck Yeager wouldn't even command your respect because he doesn't have Gulfstream time. You sir are a jacka$$....

 

[be-400xpdriver]

SeaSpray if you are wondering what that taste is it is probaly last nights dinner. So get your head out of your A#% and grow up.

 

[SeaSpray]

Wow! That's not air I hear coming out of that overinflated ego is it?!!

No, it's common sense.

We operate a perfectly safe operaing model here at Netjets in all of our operations.

Right, experience in type is only a safety factor in all aspects of aviation except at NJA.

For you to use a politically motivated, slanderous scare mongering assault against your employer disqualifies you from even being considered a professional. That was easily the most unprofessional posting I've ever seen in my life!!!

Apparently, reading comprehension is not a requirement to be a union shill. My employer is the Government of the United States.

I will soon be retiring because I am in what is probably my last pure cockpit assignment in the military and I want to keep flying. I have job offers from NJI and others. I was looking forward to joining a group of Gulfstream professionals at NJI. It is apparent that you are planning to dilute the experience base there and change the corporate culture from one I admire to a typical union shop.

Who would go to a union shop with all it's inherent problems when you have other options? If the TA is signed I will be going to a Fortune 500 company that operates Gulfstreams in the New York area - more pay, but I lose the NJI option of chosing where I live.

You Sir, are an idiot!

And you were calling me unprofessional...

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[squonk]

SeaSpray:

If the TA is signed I will be going to a Fortune 500 company in the New York area - more pay, but I lose the NJI option of chosing where I live.

I hear the Hamptons are nice this time of year.

 

[Hawkered]

I'm sure the Fortune 500 company in New York will be glad to have you, and if its a Falcon 900 they operate, I'm sure you will be happy to spend the rest of your career in the right seat while you acquire, "time in type", because by your own admission, your time in a Gulfstream doesn't count.

I have dealt with guys like you as an instructor for a major airline, "five stripers" we used to call 'em. They all came unglued in the end.

Enjoy laying in your own quagmire!

 

[be-400xpdriver]

If the TA is signed I will be going to a Fortune 500 company in the New York area - more pay, but I lose the NJI option of chosing where I live.



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Good please go! I dont want your ego or dumb " well in the military" stories when I am your capt.

 

[Hawkered]

Thank God he's not actually one of ours. Can you imagine having to tour with a guy like that?!

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Thank God he's not actually one of ours. Can you imagine having to tour with a guy like that?!

I can but then I would imagine my self jumping off a tall building!!

 

[GVFlyer]

SeaSpray, check your PMs.

 

[AA717driver]

I guess JetBlue really created a safety hazzard when they hired a bunch of ex military guys with no A320 experience in their first batch of classes.

I got hired into the left seat of the G550 with NO prior Gulfstream experience. I made quite a few mistakes my first year--none of which involved flying the plane. They do things differently and I had a steep learning curve but I did adapt quickly.

They still haven't broken my habit of not keeping the A/T's on all the way to the runway (they never will!).

I respectfully disagree with your point about NJA Captains, SeaSpray. TC

 

[h25b]

I guess JetBlue really created a safety hazzard when they hired a bunch of ex military guys with no A320 experience in their first batch of classes.

I got hired into the left seat of the G550 with NO prior Gulfstream experience. I made quite a few mistakes my first year--none of which involved flying the plane. They do things differently and I had a steep learning curve but I did adapt quickly.

They still haven't broken my habit of not keeping the A/T's on all the way to the runway (they never will!).

I respectfully disagree with your point about NJA Captains, SeaSpray. TC

You'll be taken away to a dark room in SAV and killed. Are you telling me that not all Gulfstream pilots were born with 2000 hours in type ??? Now that would be useful information.

Ah, the silence has finally been broken. You will surely have to turn in your type rating...:laugh:

 

[AA717driver]

h25b--No, I'll be taken away because of my belief that the Gulfstream is just another airplane. Sure, it's better than having your head bent over in a Lear (nothing personal) or just plain 'bent over' at the airlines but...

Like 'fido said--If they'd pay me $200k a year to fly a C90, I'd jump in a heartbeat.TC

 

[batsky2000]

Oh I guess flying the X all over the world does not count huh?

Call your buds and go to FEDEX!

So I guess that is why NJA hired off the street BBJ pilots? Give me a break, if you are saying that an NJA pilot is qualified to fly as a Capt. in a G without any experience in how NJI operates, then why did you guys hire BBJ pilots off the street in the beginning? where none of your highly qualified Boeing and Airbus pilots qualified enough to fly a BBJ right off the bat?

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Jeez its not rocket science. It will probably work the same way it does now at NJA when any captain moves to a new airplane. They fly for awhile as an "unreleased captain" (FO for practical purposes) to gain experience. This lasts anywhere from 3 to 9 months and then they are good to go.

Which pretty much explains the BBJ street captains who were there to bridge that experience gap during the ramp up.

 

[NJAFracPilot]

SeaSpray, check your PMs.

Looks like the military Gulfstream good-ole-boy hiring network is kicking in.

 

[h25b]

Sure, it's better than having your head bent over in a Lear (nothing personal) or just plain 'bent over' at the airlines but...

Exactly... I've got a great medical plan that covers BOTH chiropractic AND proctology services ...

 

[CE750Driver]

I had started a dialog with Joe to come to NJI upon my retirement from the military. I won't be doing that now.

The concept of being first officer to an unqualified NJA captain in an aircraft in which I have thousands of hours in command is somewhat less than appealing. (1/3 of all new captains will come from the NJA seniority list) You are creating an unsafe operating model.

Seaspray, your head is so far up your azz, you cant see straight. I have flown with all types at NJA. Including a thud driver that was shot down and spent over 7 1/2 years at the Hanoi Hilton, a SR 71 pilot, who, if he likes you will tell you many things that arent written in the history books. Many airline pilots that have flown 747s when they were a new plane. Men that MADE history and have movies about their lives. Men who have enough character to just laugh at your condisending attitude.

Good luck in your job search you arrogant prick, and everytime you see a gold tie walk off a G whiz, you are free to take it as a personal attack.