Freight dog vid...

[staledog]

RJPILOTT...drop a sack and grow some eggs...this is normal winter on demand flying. I know the pilot, and the only issues I had with it were: two landing lights on during taxi, it says to use one in our manual tut tut, props RPM, and the fact the heater was on after crossing the FAF. I sense where this thread is being led by RJPilott so let me shed a little light on our accident record...

In twenty-five years, Central Air Southwest, has had 3 accidents involving 4 aircraft. One was a mid-air between two company airplanes, both pilots killed flying in formation (unauthorized of course); and the other two accidents were a result of flying in icing conditions in aircraft that were not approved for known ice. Both icing related accidents, the pilots walked away, and the aircraft had in excess of 3-4 inches of ice accumulated. The last accident was in 1993, and we haven't had one since, while averaging 15,000-20,000 hours per year - this info was supplied in the training manual.

As a result of two icing accidents the TKS system has been installed on all their aircraft (AC 500), and we are approved for Known Ice. During training we watch a video on icing procedures, and how the Commander faired during certification. The FAA in fact put the incorrect nozzle on their ice-making King Air, and as a result the icing was much greater than expected, yet the Commander still passed.

The windshield is only protected on the left side - those holes you could see on the left side - and we aren't allowed to use it during takeoff or landing, as it causes obscuration making it difficult to judge depth.

We have to check like all 135 operators allowed to operate in known ice, that the 'critical surfaces' ie wings, horizontal and vertical stabilizers, flight controls, and windshield are uncontaminated within 5 minutes prior to departure

Don't insult Mr. Hoover! I didn't see an 8 point hesitation roll, followed by a loop with one engine - could definately hear both turning when he taxied in. By the way, it was probably a mounted camera, the guy is an amateur photographer, and it was on regular route - you can't fly traffic patterns when its IFR...

Finally, there is no 'easy-button' on the aircraft - we hand fly them, and are approved for 1800RVR ops.

It's not for everyone I'll agree.

OH, SNAP!!!

while I never flew for CASW, i worked for a similar company a couple years ago, and I'm just glad I don't have to do that anymore.

those were the good 'ol days...

 

[BushwickBill]

NOPAX You are my new hero. Thanks for shedding a little "light" on the situation. I'm sure after a few weeks of doing that it would become "normal". I didn't see if that guy cycled the gear a few times after take off but it would take care of the problem our hysterical friend keeps getting "stuck" on. HAAHAHAAH

 

[RJPilott]

I didn't see if that guy cycled the gear a few times after take off but it would take care of the problem our hysterical friend keeps getting "stuck" on. HAAHAHAAH

Oh geeze. Another Chuck Yeager. And with all types of experience i see.... lol

How many times you cycle the gear in that 152 of yours? AHAHAHAHA...

Im guessing that C525 experience comes from the Lav seat on a .8 MAF? Do you know what an MAF is?

 

[jbDC9]

I'm with NoPax on this one. RJPilott, grow a set of balls and quit yapping already. You stated previously "And i have done many seasons in the Northeast and Southern Canada flying King Air's and Chieftains. Never did something like that." So, were you a fair weather charter pilot, only came out on sunny, blue sky days? A bit of cloud cover or a snow flake and you cancelled the trip to stay home? Geez, quit being such a whiny pu$$y and go back to your shiny CRJ. I flew cancelled checks for a couple of years in known ice certified C-310s... what you see in the video was pretty much standard ops for many winter nights over OMA, DSM, MSP, MKC, MDW, etc. It's really not that big a deal.

You also stated "You'll learn that as you get more experience flying IMC... lol"... dude, don't be a prick. Were you ever a freight dog? I didn't think so; don't be so condescending to a guy that's out there earning a living in crappy weather, night after night.

Idiot.

 

[RJPilott]

So, were you a fair weather charter pilot, only came out on sunny, blue sky days? A bit of cloud cover or a snow flake and you cancelled the trip to stay home? Idiot.

No, we wait till a taxi route was plowed (or took a plowed route) and got some type IV. Kind of what you do in the 737... right??? lol

Or does your company allow departures without ice protection while frozen precip is falling.

 

[FN FAL]

Do you know what an MAF is?

mountain air fargo?

 

[bugchaser]

It's really amazing to me how some guys even became pilots when they obviously don't have the bakks for it. I would probably get the same reaction if I posted some videos of flying under wires, etc. Flying is by nature a demanding and sometimes dangerous business. Please don't sit there and call someone reckless just because you don't have that kind of experience and skill.

 

[BushwickBill]

I may have lived say in a place with worse weather for more than a couple of years and worked a non flying aviation job to pay for my ratings?

Maybe I have friends with more time flying weather worse than that than the dollar amount you spent on PFT?

I could have possibly worked at an industrial site that was only accessable by aircraft all year?

Thing is you have no freakin clue what my background is.



Someday when I give a freak I'll update my total and what I'm currently doing.

I know your probably getting antsy to flame someone again but if you could please take the time to answer this I would greatly appreciate it.

Why would the guy make a video while doing something unsafe - because he wanted to make a document that could end his career?

I dont give a rats a*s what MAF is...

 

[RJPilott]

MX Acceptance Flight.


I wonder how CASW POI would feel about that video.

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oh, and i dont fly an RJ anymore...

PFT, you're trying to make this a PFT argument? I spent 3,500 on my Commercial multi Instrument, CFI II MEI. Its good to have connections. I agree. Pumped alot of gas to get them.

 

[RJPilott]

T-Gates.. didnt you work for ACA a while ago?

 

[BushwickBill]

MX Acceptance Flight.

Your such a tool.

I wonder how CASW POI would feel about that video.

Most of the places that do this kind of flying have such a great "culture". Its kind of like family. I'm sure they already saw it and wonder why he made it. Its the kind of work place atmosphere thats small enough to not tolerate total tools that no one wants to fly with unlike huge 121 departments.

 

[SkyWestCRJPilot]

Great video! Brings back days of freight dogging it. I still don't understand it when I tell some FOs that I flew checks and they say how dangerous that is. You're the PIC and you're in charge of your own hide. I guess some guys have never flown in ice or ever taxiied on a snow covered taxiway. I met many Central Air Southwest pilots when I flew for Flight Express and American Check Transport and all were great guys. All worthy to be called freight dogs.

 

[RJPilott]

Great... so i guess you wont mind telling me who the CASW POI is then?


If not, i can always make a call to the Kansas City FSDO in the morning....

sweet dreams....

PS. Love that pay and benefits by the way.... how many of you kiss a$$ to get into that 690?


For the first 6-months pilots are on probation, earning $1,500 per month. After probation is over, pilots can earn an average of $1,700-$2,500 per month, depending on route and duty assignment.

Paid vacation and holidays are earned after 1 year of full-time employment. After 90 days, health insurance is available to full time employees, Central Air Southwest pays 50% of the premium and the employee pays the other 50%.


http://www.centralairsouthwest.com/benefits.html

 

[CaravanMan]

How do we know this was even a CASW plane/pilot? Maybe it is, but the clip says it's a 680 Commander (could be wrong) and CAS has 500B/U/S and a 690. Just saying...

 

[CaravanMan]

Great... so i guess you wont mind telling me who the CASW POI is then?


If not, i can always make a call to the Kansas City FSDO in the morning....

sweet dreams....

PS. Love that pay and benefits by the way.... how many of you kiss a$$ to get into that 690?


For the first 6-months pilots are on probation, earning $1,500 per month. After probation is over, pilots can earn an average of $1,700-$2,500 per month, depending on route and duty assignment.

Paid vacation and holidays are earned after 1 year of full-time employment. After 90 days, health insurance is available to full time employees, Central Air Southwest pays 50% of the premium and the employee pays the other 50%.


http://www.centralairsouthwest.com/benefits.htmlhttp://www.centralairsouthwest.com/benefits.html

Wow! Look who discovered the website! Here's a cookie...

 

[RJPilott]

How do we know this was even a CASW plane/pilot? Maybe it is, but the clip says it's a 680 Commander (could be wrong) and CAS has 500B/U/S and a 690. Just saying...

It seems several on here seem to think so....

Can we say back-peddling?

If it was so safe and legal, theres nothing to worry about.. right?


Look, there is a time and place to push the envelope. Getting a thrilling video to show your girlfriend after you take her out to McDonalds (cause thats all you can afford) is not one of them. Next time, dont make a video Einstein.

 

[CaravanMan]

All I'm saying is don't be so quick to knock someone unless you know it's them.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Look, there is a time and place to push the envelope. Getting a thrilling video to show your girlfriend after you take her out to McDonalds (cause thats all you can afford) is not one of them. Next time, dont make a video Einstein.

How was he pushing the envelope? Looks like a normal winter day to me.

Quit being a douche.

 

[BushwickBill]

If not, i can always make a call to the Kansas City FSDO in the morning....

Did people call you a NARC in high school?

Yeah send them the link dude. They might get a kick out of it.

Well I've gotta run and go sit on the toilet seat of the 525 again.

 

[RJPilott]

Never know, maybe it will be one less pilot to take an RJ to 410 and take a picture.

 

[Almerick07]

Am I the only one who thinks going straight from flight instructor to an airline is a bit hasty? Seriously, flying single engine airplanes on nice VFR days to build hours doesnt exactly seem like worthy experience to be partly responsible for a few dozen lives. Personally I would much rather gain some experience flying myself and some boxes around in the soup before hauling people with me. Oh not to mention nothing is more degrading than taking some 8000 hour captains route for mere pennies on the dollar in a nice pretty little CRJ...the airline industry needs look at who the real dogs are.

 

[EatSleepFly]

Never know, maybe it will be one less pilot to take an RJ to 410 and take a picture.

Oh please.

 

[AIR2MUD]

Am I the only one who thinks going straight from flight instructor to an airline is a bit hasty?

At least you mentioned flight instructor...ASA is hiring 600 hour wonders who haven't even done that.

These guys don't know the square root of f%@kall. They honestly don't know enough to realize they don't know what they need to know, you know?

 

[RJPilott]

Actually, it was. I think it was more like 32K to be more accurate. Do a search for my posts. You may be able to find that thread from way back..

Many pilots made more than 30K their first year at ACA. That was the day... Cancellation/conflict pay was very different back then.

Are you guys telling me that you taxi on those type of snow drifts on a regular basis during winter ops? You dont take any type of de-ice fluid with a decent holdover time when its snowing? Look at the video again. That taxiway isnt a few inches that wasnt unplowed. The snow drifts were splashing up on to the windshield...lol

 

[EatSleepFly]

It doesn't appear to be snowing very hard. I don't see snowflakes in the tractor's lights, or when he first starts taxiing out and the vis. doesn't look too terribly bad. A flurry here and there doesn't warrant getting sprayed with deice fluid.

Why don't you just worry about Mr. RJpilott and let the rest of us freight flying plebians go about our business, which you seem to know little about.

 

[RJPilott]

Look at the windshield on taxi Mr CFI. Specifically while taxing through the fresh, unplowed snow drifts.

 

[buttercup]

It doesn't appear to be snowing very hard. I don't see snowflakes in the tractor's lights, or when he first starts taxiing out and the vis. doesn't look too terribly bad. A flurry here and there doesn't warrant getting sprayed with deice fluid.

Why don't you just worry about Mr. RJpilott and let the rest of us freight flying plebians go about our business, which you seem to know little about.

You're not even in the same league as RJPilot, you should mind your manners and show some respect. He'd run circles around your asz in the sky!

 

[CaravanMan]

You're not even in the same league as RJPilot, you should mind your manners and show some respect. He'd run circles around your asz in the sky!

Who'd want to be in the same league as RJ?

 

[RJPilott]

This is an example of the right time to push the envelope,



"It's not uncommon for us to find 200 mph gusts in Cat 5 storms. I've personally seen it a few times. We fly the storms at 10,000', penetrating the eyewall with the standard altimeter, 29.92, set. Pretty neat ride since it's a pressure altitude. As we hit the pressure center of the eye the absolute altitude (agl) will drop down more than 2,000', depending on the pressure. With Katrina's super low pressure I'm sure it's that much. Last night, when I flew it we saw the pressure drop from 940 to 934 millibars. We fly "alpha patterns;" entering the storm on intercardinal tracks (135, 225, 045, 315) and flying 105 nm legs from/to the eye on those tracks. As with my flight last night, we often don't encounter a lot of turbulence on the really strong storms since their winds are uniform. It's when they're just getting going and when they're weakening that we get a lot of turbulence since the windfield is uneven.

As far as the Superdome goes, it shouldn't have much trouble. It is a massive building and is round, which should bode well for wind deflection. The city can pump water out, true, but it's pumped into the Mississippi River, which stands a good chance of being flooded during the storm. It's gonna be a mess, regardless."

What this CASW pilot did was just dumb. And even more dumb to video it.

 

[RJPilott]

Who'd want to be in the same league as RJ?

Aww.. come on Caravanman. We know you dream of wearing that polyester suit dragging your roller with bright shiny wings on your chest and some giggling FA on your arm. I mean you are flying what seems to be some nice airplanes for less than a McD's Janitor pay, and he doesnt have to pay 50% for health.. after.. what was it.. 90 days??? LOL