freedom 900 agreement terminated

[pdub20s]

I sure hope you have more to rely on than what's "fair", especially in this industry.

true...

 

[CX880]

Does this mean the end is near?

 

[pdub20s]

Does this mean the end is near?

My gut tells me that a BK announcement is near...

 

[pdub20s]

Sike! :nuts:

 

[Poahi]

My gut tells me that a BK announcement is near...

Your gut is usually right...

About 50 or so in each seat in JFK on the 900. Plus if DL prevails on the ERJ side, we are looking at having that shiny TA everyone is so excited about sit on the shelf in exchange for a canceled contract and furloughs out of seniority.

 

[pdub20s]

Your gut is usually right...

About 50 or so in each seat in JFK on the 900. Plus if DL prevails on the ERJ side, we are looking at having that shiny TA everyone is so excited about sit on the shelf in exchange for a canceled contract and furloughs out of seniority.

more like 30..and they will just return back to the mesa side not requiring any training since 80% of the pilots came from the mesa side. With out the TA, we wont get out of BK

No financial institution is going to finance us out of BK without a cost structure for the pilot group

 

[Bako Cap]

This sucks for the Mesa guys. Delta owns the planes, they should go to mainline and pay their piltos to fly them.

What are the mainline Delta rates for the 76 seat aircraft?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Which of these vultures will pick up the 16 CR9s?

A.) Comair
B.) ASA
C.) Pinnacle

or

D.) This flying is gone.

Vultures? And we actually believe there is a "brotherhood"?

Signed,
Your fellow "vulture"........

 

[DoinTime]

What are the mainline Delta rates for the 76 seat aircraft?

(These may be old)

Captain:
$90.52
$91.20
$91.94
$92.69
$93.41
$94.16
$94.89
$95.64
$96.37
$97.12
$97.88
$98.60

FO:
$49.61
$49.61
$57.09
$58.48
$59.88
$61.39
$63.10
$64.56
$65.24
$66.14

 

[CX880]

Sooner or later Delta will pull the plug on Mesa anyways.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

What are the mainline Delta rates for the 76 seat aircraft?

ERJ-190/CRJ900

Captains:
Year Per hour
1 87.86
2 88.52
5 90.67
10 94.26
12 95.70

FO
Year Per Hour
1 48.16
2 48.16
5 58.12
10 64.19
12 65.36

 

[JoeMerchant]

Captains:
Year Per hour
1 87.86
2 88.52
5 90.67
10 94.26
12 95.70

FO
Year Per Hour
1 48.16
2 48.16
5 58.12
10 64.19
12 65.36

In many cases....ASA and CMR captains would make more flying them at ASA and CMR.....FOs would make more flying them at Delta....Now we know why there are two different perspectives on this issue.....

Perspective is everything.......

Whether or not these jobs would really pay more at the mainline depends on where you sit......

 

[Stifler's Mom]

In many cases....ASA and CMR captains would make more flying them at ASA and CMR.....FOs would make more flying them at Delta....Now we know why there are two different perspectives on this issue.....

Perspective is everything.......

Whether or not these jobs would really pay more at the mainline depends on where you sit......

How so?

Year 5 Capt at ASA pays $68.69.
Year 10 Capt. at ASA pays $81.44.

I can't imagine that our trip and duty rigs are better than mainline's...and would even come close to making up the difference in rates.

 

[777forever]

Comair's displacement bid/furloughs canceled on Fri. 11 of the 14 CRJ900s are coming to Comair.

I wonder where the other 3 (plus two orders) are going to? I know an airline that just trashed 3 planes that needs some replacements

 

[ifly4u]

With out the TA, we wont get out of BK

Do you know what a hero is Pdub?

 

[JoeMerchant]

How so?

Year 5 Capt at ASA pays $68.69.
Year 10 Capt. at ASA pays $81.44.

I can't imagine that our trip and duty rigs are better than mainline's...and would even come close to making up the difference in rates.

Remember what I said about perpective....You are looking at the issue from the junior end of the equation....The "lifers" at ASA and CMR are making over a 100 bucks an hour....At DAL it would be a junior airplane with the captains making much less than the senior lifers at ASA and CMR....

At my longevity....the senior most DAL pilot would only make 4 bucks an hour more....and most would probably make less since it would be a junior airplane....

The fact is they underbid the senior rates at the regionals....What if we did the same....How would that be received?

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

ERJ-190/CRJ900

Captains:
Year Per hour
1 87.86
2 88.52
5 90.67
10 94.26
12 95.70

FO
Year Per Hour
1 48.16
2 48.16
5 58.12
10 64.19
12 65.36

Oveur posted the 2006 payrates.


Jan 1 2009 payrates would be (NOT adjusted for LOA 19 or the JPWA TA):

CA:

1: 91.88
2: 92.57
5: 94.81
10: 98.58
12: 100.08


FO:

1: 50.35
2: 50.35
5: 60.77
10: 67.13
12: 68.35



It's interesting, next year on year 3 pay on the 767 I'll be making 10 cents less an hour than a hypothetical 900 captain and on year 4 pay I'll be making about a dollar an hour more.

There's your B-scale right there... I can't understand why these things are outsourced except for mgmt to be able to whipsaw all the regionals against each other as they claw for the scraps...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

The fact is they underbid the senior rates at the regionals....What if we did the same....How would that be received?

You've done that for many years.

 

[JoeMerchant]

You've done that for many years.

Really? What are Delta's ATR rates?

Weren't you at Pinnacle....Pot meet kettle.....

 

[DDpaysoff]

I don't care where the CR9's go as long as "Freedom" or "Mesa" never, ever again flies an aircraft dressed in Delta colors.
They made my commute "living hell" last year when they were flying to my home city. What a useless operation all round! Good riddance!

In all fairness, I am a comair pilot and I commute on Freedom regularly from DFW and they have been excellent.

 

[Poahi]

more like 30..and they will just return back to the mesa side not requiring any training since 80% of the pilots came from the mesa side. With out the TA, we wont get out of BK

No financial institution is going to finance us out of BK without a cost structure for the pilot group

There are 60 Captains and about 35 FO's on the seniority list in JFK. Many will be absorbed, some are on leave, etc... but according to MH, something like this would cause the company to be fat....

There is about to be a giant flushing sound....

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

Who is the idiot that supports Obeama? See the airplanes parked after he causes the next great depression trying to fund his massive wealth redistribution.

Which of these vultures will pick up the 16 CR9s?

A.) Comair
B.) ASA
C.) Pinnacle

or

D.) This flying is gone.

 

[boknowsASA]

I wonder where the other 3 (plus two orders) are going to? I know an airline that just trashed 3 planes that needs some replacements

hmmm We also are retiring what 12 ATR's yet we dont "F" hmmmm...... Maybe it will be a split some to Comair some to ASA. :beer:

 

[Minimaniac]

Who is the idiot that supports Obeama? See the airplanes parked after he causes the next great depression trying to fund his massive wealth redistribution.

Wow. Skip listening to Rush for a week, please. The recession that is coming will have nothing to do with Obama or Mccain, whoever wins this election. The ball has been rolling that way for a long time now. Blame Bush Sr, Clinton, and Lil' Bush for ignoring the economic gurus' warnings for the past 20 years.

But be sure, planes will be parked. More furloughs are coming (and the first furloughees have not even hit the streets yet). The worst is still to come, and the current administration is still just watching it happen with wide eyes. I don't know if either Obama or McCain is ready or able to make the hard decisions necessary to pull us out of this train wreck economy. But if you want to blame it all on those dang liberals, well please go ahead and continue to sound like a blubbering fool.

 

[blesko]

Wow. Skip listening to Rush for a week, please. The recession that is coming will have nothing to do with Obama or Mccain, whoever wins this election. The ball has been rolling that way for a long time now. Blame Bush Sr, Clinton, and Lil' Bush for ignoring the economic gurus' warnings for the past 20 years.

But be sure, planes will be parked. More furloughs are coming (and the first furloughees have not even hit the streets yet). The worst is still to come, and the current administration is still just watching it happen with wide eyes. I don't know if either Obama or McCain is ready or able to make the hard decisions necessary to pull us out of this train wreck economy. But if you want to blame it all on those dang liberals, well please go ahead and continue to sound like a blubbering fool.

Two words....windfall profits. You simply cannot tax profits and redistribute them. That equals socailism. Look at the expenditures for oil companys, billions of dollars, R&D costs are through the roof. The percentage of profits based on expenditures to the best of my knowledge are around 15-20 percent last I looked at my portfolio. Pretty much in line with most everything else out there.......wait....jewelery, 40% profits, clothing 30-40%, college textbooks, 25%.

 

[Minimaniac]

I'm not saying taxing profits is a good idea, but assuming Obama gets elected and miraculously gets congress to go along with it, it still won't have a substantial impact on our economy. A few select companies will take the hurt, but they will still have enough profit to do as they please. I am against taxing profit, personally. It is the same as taxing inheritance and other financial gifting within a family. I am just saying that Obama is not going to wreck our economy. It has already been wrecked by 20 years of bad economic policy. Things move slow when they are the size of our economy, and the recklessness exhibited by our leaders is just now catching up to us. Neither candidate will be able to turn the ship around in 4 years, and neither candidate is shaping up to be the kind of guy I want around for 8.

 

[MJ42]

I'm not saying taxing profits is a good idea, but assuming Obama gets elected and miraculously gets congress to go along with it, it still won't have a substantial impact on our economy. A few select companies will take the hurt, but they will still have enough profit to do as they please. I am against taxing profit, personally. It is the same as taxing inheritance and other financial gifting within a family. I am just saying that Obama is not going to wreck our economy. It has already been wrecked by 20 years of bad economic policy. Things move slow when they are the size of our economy, and the recklessness exhibited by our leaders is just now catching up to us. Neither candidate will be able to turn the ship around in 4 years, and neither candidate is shaping up to be the kind of guy I want around for 8.

Wouldn't it be unconstitutional to single out a specific industry and tax their profits, especially when their earnings (percentage wise) are in line with most others?

On topic...900's to Comair, some of their 50's parked. DAL gets what they want, less 50's and no Mesa.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Four pages and I am the first to mention SkyWest? I surely missed it somewhere....I mean they are still hiring pilots according to the job posting board,( doesnt make sense) they currently fly the CRJ 9. Dont count them out for a piece of the freedum pie!

 

[Smacktard]

Two words....windfall profits. You simply cannot tax profits and redistribute them. That equals socailism. Look at the expenditures for oil companys, billions of dollars, R&D costs are through the roof. The percentage of profits based on expenditures to the best of my knowledge are around 15-20 percent last I looked at my portfolio. Pretty much in line with most everything else out there.......wait....jewelery, 40% profits, clothing 30-40%, college textbooks, 25%.

Don't forget that Exxon paid $38 BILLION in taxes to make the $11 Billion profit (off of $138 Billion in revenue). I'm sure Obama failed to mention that when he announced his plan to 'tax' the $11 billion.

 

[Metro752]

Obama cannot even tie his own shoes, don't pick on him.