Free TYPEs for ATA

[ICAO]

Hot off the presssss

EVERYONE is getting a new types....yes

 

[pkober]

Release #08.ATA4
June 26, 2008
For Immediate Release
ALPA Helps Secure U.S. Department of Labor Emergency Funds to Put ATA Pilots Back on the Line
Multi-million Dollar Grant to State of Indiana will Hone Crewmembers’ Skills, Aid in Job Search
CHICAGO – Pilot leaders of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA) ATA Airlines unit led a successful campaign with the State of Indiana for the U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) to grant ATA cockpit crewmembers emergency funds for re-employment services. Virtually the entire workforce of ATA suddenly found themselves unemployed when ATA shut down on April 3.
The Department of Labor recently announced a grant exceeding $3.5 million to assist hundreds of employees at Indianapolis-based ATA, including more than 100 pilots and flight engineers. The DOL will release almost $1.4 million immediately and make additional funding available as Indiana demonstrates a continued need to serve these workers.
“This news is a ray of hope for the Hoosier-based crewmembers, who were proud to work at ATA,” said Capt. Steve Staples, chairman of ALPA’s ATA pilot group. “It should help a great deal in enabling our members to find new jobs, and especially to help them retrain in new aircraft types. I’m proud that ALPA was able to assist our ATA pilots in this tangible way, because that’s what our labor union is all about.”
The grant, issued to the Indiana Department of Workforce Development (DWD), gives the DWD additional funds to send ATA pilots to flight schools so that they can earn type ratings in more modern aircraft, making them more marketable to airlines seeking pilots.
Many of ATA’s crewmembers are type-rated in older, 1970s-era aircraft like the Lockheed L-1011 and the McDonnell-Douglas DC-10, airplanes that are becoming increasingly rare as airlines shift to newer, more fuel-efficient types. But training for new aircraft systems can cost an unemployed pilot thousands of dollars, often making such training unaffordable without government assistance.
Working with the ALPA Government Affairs Department, Staples urged key congressional leaders to speed the approval of the emergency grant. ALPA staff will coordinate with DWD officials to support ATA crewmembers, helping them to more easily access the Workforce Investment Act funds for training.
Earlier this year ALPA also played a role in working with the State of Hawaii to secure a $5 million emergency grant to assist Hawaiian-based employees of ATA and Aloha Airlines, which both went out of business in the same week.
“On behalf of the ATA pilot group, I’d like to thank Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, DWD Commissioner Teresa Voors, and especially Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.) and the entire Indiana congressional delegation for securing these vitally-needed training funds,” Staples said. “I’d also like to thank Sens. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who initially requested emergency funding from the Department of Labor when ATA shut down in April.”
Staples said his next goal is to secure emergency funding for Illinois-based airline employees. After Indiana, Illinois has more laid-off ATA workers than any other state.
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilots union, representing 55,000 pilots at 40 airlines in the U.S. and Canada. Visit the ALPA Web site at www.alpa.org for more information.

Well done ALPA.

Capt Steve Staples. I wonder if he was the ALPA-N guy who advised TWA during the AA/TWA merger?

 

[CaptSeth]

Nope.

 

[pkober]

It was a joke about his last name.

A priest, a rabbi and a rabbit walk into a bar .....

 

[CaptSeth]

Sorry. Sense of humor was brutally murdered on April 3 of this year.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

Amazing how fast you Republican hypocrites line up at the government teat when it benefits you.

Ha!

 

[pkober]

So only democrats should be allowed to get gubment aid? I guess since you Dems have lived your entire life with your hand out you now must feel entitled.

 

[relief tube]

Im just a dumb regional pilot, but does getting types really help securing a new job....or is it just a free parting gift?

I hope it does though.

 

[JumpJetter]

Flew corporate for awhile, maybe others can chime in. Getting a G-IV/V/GLEX rating but having no experience will not get you far. Caveat; if you have thousands of hours of international PIC experience in heavy jets, different story. But with out that, just a type will get you nowhere IMHO. You'd be better off going to one of these operators and getting on a smaller a/c (Lear, Citation, Westwind, etc..) then being promoted within the organization to a larger a/c. Any other comments from Charter/corporate guys?

I'd just get the B737 rating....probably gives ya a better shot at SWA in the future.

 

[Lear70]

Flew corporate for awhile, maybe others can chime in. Getting a G-IV/V/GLEX rating but having no experience will not get you far. Caveat; if you have thousands of hours of international PIC experience in heavy jets, different story. But with out that, just a type will get you nowhere IMHO. You'd be better off going to one of these operators and getting on a smaller a/c (Lear, Citation, Westwind, etc..) then being promoted within the organization to a larger a/c. Any other comments from Charter/corporate guys?

I'd just get the B737 rating....probably gives ya a better shot at SWA in the future.

Having been both routes, I have to wholeheartedly DISagree with this opinion.

See 737 type to left. NO guarantee of Southwest job...

SEVERAL companies hiring right now for GIV, GV, G350/450, F50/F900, F2000/2000EX/2000EASy positions that REQUIRE the type rating but have no minimum time in type. I've spoken directly to recruiters at some of these positions, and they'll happily take on an SIC with zero time in type but who HAS the type, simply because it dramatically lowers their costs AND time lag to get someone scheduled and done with class (up to a year or more).

Get 8-12 months of SIC time in the airplane (250+ hours) and, if you have extensive PIC time in other transport-category jets, upgrade comes quickly (depending on company) or you're qualified for any number of PIC positions.

That said, the LAST thing I want to see is more people buying a type rating for a job. It makes it harder for those of us already in the charter/corporate world and makes employers think that never paying for a type rating is an acceptable practice. Kind of makes me glad they're only giving people $6k or so, prohibits most people from buying a bizjet type.

As far as getting on with a charter or corporate operator who has smaller and larger jets and moving up, I'd get it in writing BEFORE you take the job. In this environment, fewer people will be leaving those larger bizjet positions and, as mentioned earlier, they have a BIG tendency to hire direct-entry pilots already typed and current in those larger aircraft to save them the $20-$40k+ to type someone. Been there, seen that... repeatedly.

 

[OnTheDole]

Good thing those morons on the East voted out ALPA for all of US/AWA... I wonder what USCABA will get all of the furloughs here, besides a swift kick in the nuts.

 

[Whine Lover]

i takes wht ebr dey gimme and then i'm goin' for more cheese...WORK is for Foolz.

dum azz liberals.

love,

YKMKR

P.S. - Voting for McCain, I am a total Hypocrite. Sorry, but..."Greed Is Good." F.U. All... I'm getting a Type in an IL-62. Because I CAN. And these Gubmint Tit-Sucking Soccer Mom's who run this kRaP won't even know the difference! God Bless Amerika!

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

i takes wht ebr dey gimme and then i'm goin' for more cheese...WORK is for Foolz.

dum azz liberals.

love,

YKMKR

P.S. - Voting for McCain, I am a total Hippocrite. Sorry, but..."Greed Is Good." F.U. All.

That's usually what is comes down to for the conservatives.

Them: "I'm against the government doing anything. Cut my taxes!"

Me: So how many of your grandparents/parents collect social security?

Them: All of them

Me: And they're all on Medicare/Medicaid too?

Them: Well, ya.

Me: And the last time you were furloughed you collected unemployment and got that type rating paid for by the government?

Them: Well, ya. But I deserve it.

Hypocrisy

 

[Whine Lover]

I had to edit that there "Hippocrite" thang...Dang, that's a hard word!

Did I finally get it right?

All I know is this:

- If I gots the Money....You can't have it.

- If you gots the Money...I want it.

I believe we call this "Situational Ethics".

Hypocrisy is Good.

Get out of my way while I send money for food relief, and then cave your skull in because you ( NOT "YOU" as in the previous Poster, just the general "YOU".) eat food that should be MINE.

Survival belongs to the FIT. Sorry, It's that "Food Chain" thing....I will strangle you to get what I perceive to be MINE.

Sort of like Airline Pilots.....

Love,

YKMKR

 

[Freight Dog]

Having been both routes, I have to wholeheartedly DISagree with this opinion.

See 737 type to left. NO guarantee of Southwest job...

SEVERAL companies hiring right now for GIV, GV, G350/450, F50/F900, F2000/2000EX/2000EASy positions that REQUIRE the type rating but have no minimum time in type. I've spoken directly to recruiters at some of these positions, and they'll happily take on an SIC with zero time in type but who HAS the type, simply because it dramatically lowers their costs AND time lag to get someone scheduled and done with class (up to a year or more).

Get 8-12 months of SIC time in the airplane (250+ hours) and, if you have extensive PIC time in other transport-category jets, upgrade comes quickly (depending on company) or you're qualified for any number of PIC positions.

That said, the LAST thing I want to see is more people buying a type rating for a job. It makes it harder for those of us already in the charter/corporate world and makes employers think that never paying for a type rating is an acceptable practice. Kind of makes me glad they're only giving people $6k or so, prohibits most people from buying a bizjet type.

As far as getting on with a charter or corporate operator who has smaller and larger jets and moving up, I'd get it in writing BEFORE you take the job. In this environment, fewer people will be leaving those larger bizjet positions and, as mentioned earlier, they have a BIG tendency to hire direct-entry pilots already typed and current in those larger aircraft to save them the $20-$40k+ to type someone. Been there, seen that... repeatedly.

Actually Lear, if we have a written conditional employment offer on company letterhead, I was told they'll pay for any bizjet type - GLEX, G-IV, G-V, Citation, whatever... or if you are 55+ and considered too old to start over at another airline.

For everyone else, they're pushing 737 types, or if you were already typed, other airliner types.

It's the chicken and egg argument. We'll see how it all plays out...